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Old 20-10-2017, 12:19   #1
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Labour MP's union payouts

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MP Ian Lavery received £165,000 from the 10-member trade union he ran.
We have learned this from the trade union regulator which has now released a report into Mr Lavery's actions as general secretary of the NUM Northumberland Area.
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The regulator found that that the Northumberland Provident and Benevolent fund had lent Mr Lavery £72,500 to buy a house in 1994. 13 years on, the union Mr Lavery was then running forgave the loan to Mr Lavery. So he was £72,500 the richer.
But there's more. He'd been paying into an endowment fund to pay back the capital cost of the house. It had underperformed, but it still paid out £18,000. The regulator found Mr Lavery kept that too.
And that's not all.
The regulator found that in 2005, Mr Lavery sold a 15% stake in his house to the Union for £36,000. In 2013 the house was worth less, so he bought it back from the union for £27,500 - a notional profit of £8,500.
And then there's Mr Lavery's "termination payments", totalling £89,887.83. However, that total is a matter of some dispute between him and the union.
The regulator says that neither Mr Lavery nor the union could provide documentary evidence of the process or the decision by which Mr Lavery was made redundant - or why, given he was leaving for a job as an MP, he needed any redundancy payments at all.
Adding £89,887 he received for his undocumented redundancy package to the £72,500 for the forgiven house loan to the £18,000 he was gifted from his endowment, that totals £180,387.
But, then, it seems Mr Lavery and his old union fell out. The union recently realised it had overpaid Mr Lavery's redundancy by £30,600. The regulator's report shows that the union asked for it back. Mr Lavery disputed £10,600 of it - and said he'd only give them £15,000. When the regulator asked the union why they settled for this, they simply replied that they were mindful of Mr Lavery disputing it and the potential legal costs:
"Mr. Lavery was adamant that £15,000 was his final offer, we were left with little choice but to accept."
So our running total of dosh from the union to its one-time general secretary is reduced by £15,000 to £165,387. That's a bob or two in anyone's language.
For the many not the few eh?
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Re: Labour MP's union payouts

Indeed no different then some politicians from the other political parties sadly...
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Indeed no different then some politicians from the other political parties sadly...
Except that they don't claim to be what they're not.
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Re: Labour MP's union payouts

How did a 10 man union have so much money in the firstplace
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How did a 10 man union have so much money in the firstplace
Because membership was higher in the past and the present 10 man section of a coalfield within the NUM still have access and legal rights to the funds raised historically.

At it's height the NUM (founded in 1945) active membership was approx 300.000 (figures of 950.000 membership in the 1920's refer to the MFGB), in 1981 when "king Arthur" became the leader membership was about 170.000. Currently active membership is less than 100 and shrinking year on year.

As the NUM is still in existence it's huge funds are still managed by the national and regional executives.


Some things worthy of note:

Harold Wilson's Labour government closed hundreds of pits putting thousands of miners out of work with hardly a murmur from the NUM.

Margaret Thatcher's Government proposed the closure of just 20 unprofitable pits and privatisation of the rest. NUM leaders refused to nationally ballot members on strike action but "king Arthur" declared a national strike in March 1984.

The NUM opposed membership of the European Economic Community, beginning with a unanimous conference vote in 1971.

In 2011 the Derbyshire branch had just one member who was not a paid official.

NUM's Derbyshire branch has (as of 2012) just four members, three of whom are paid officials.
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Conscienceless git. Not even sure how this can be legal.
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Conscienceless git. Not even sure how this can be legal.
Our laws around financing of politicians, campaigns, etc, are worthless right now, and the Electoral Commission have absolutely zero testicular fortitude in investigating and enforcing using what powers they do have.
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Our laws around financing of politicians, campaigns, etc, are worthless right now, and the Electoral Commission have absolutely zero testicular fortitude in investigating and enforcing using what powers they do have.
Indeed these commissions are a utter waste of time as they seem to have no teeth at all.
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Our laws around financing of politicians, campaigns, etc, are worthless right now, and the Electoral Commission have absolutely zero testicular fortitude in investigating and enforcing using what powers they do have.
Quite.

The MP for Thanet South isn't going to court till 2018, 3 years after the alleged crime. In the meantime he's been able to stand for re-election There are many other Tories that should be in the dock with him, if the laws on electoral fraud were a bit stronger/properly enforced.

Suspect he'll get off on the grounds of diminished responsibility (and being a toff).
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