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Old 27-11-2016, 13:21   #1
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Exclamation Investigatory powers act who will access my data?

I thought this might make a change from brexit, migrants, trump, thatcher etc etc.

It looks like it's finally happened, Labour tried it, the coalition sorta tried it, and now the Conservatives have finally managed it.

Investigatory Powers Act

Shortly we'll be about to have the most invasive Internet surveillance in the world launched upon us. Not to mention the security risk posed by ISP storing all that data, remember the Talk Talk data breach?
The Ashley Madison data breach?
How happy are you to have the ISP's store your data for 12 months so that the following people can access it - all without a warrant.

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Quite big isn't it.

Yes I know, 'nothing to hide nothing to fear' yada yada

Not so funny though when some hacktivist hacks your ISP and there's all that yummy data just sat there.

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There are thnigs people can do if they feel that perhaps a smidgen of privacy might be rather nice.

This article is quite useful.

https://www.theguardian.com/technol....nment-snoopers

and this showing the torrentfreak vpn review 2016

https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-anonymous-review-160220/

It would be nice to know other members feelings on this, and perhaps any VPNs etc they may recommend.

Remember - whilst the ISP's only keep your data for 12 months, Government agencies who scrape that data can potentially keep it forever.

In that case, whilst perhaps this government may well be ok in that regard, what about the next one, or the one after?
We all saw what happened when Councils got access to people via the RIPA act, the potential for misuse is massive.
Food for thought.
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Old 27-11-2016, 14:12   #2
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Re: Investigatory powers act who will access my data?

As I understand it what is stored is sites you visited and not any data. If they stored any data you transferred they would run out of space very quickly.
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Re: Investigatory powers act who will access my data?

I think this will have a number of consequences:

Many people will seriously restrict their use of cloud resources. I would never put any critical data in a cloud space.

Those involved in clandestine activities will use VPNs and encrypted peer-to-peer messaging apps like bleep and the authorities will have no data to pursue. This has the exact opposite effect to that which it is intended. When you know that you'll be snooped on you take precautions

It will be abused by all the authorities in the OP's list.
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I think this will have a number of consequences:

Many people will seriously restrict their use of cloud resources. I would never put any critical data in a cloud space.
Has something changed as far as cloud storage is concerned? I assumed that had the same level of privacy as it always has done, i.e not that much.

I use Dropbox but encrypt the documents myself.
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Re: Investigatory powers act who will access my data?

Was this the Bill that Nick Clegg stopped the Tories enacting when he was in power?
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Re: Investigatory powers act who will access my data?

Yes or a variant of, both Labour & Con have tried to enact this over the last ten years or so.
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Re: Investigatory powers act who will access my data?

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Has something changed as far as cloud storage is concerned? I assumed that had the same level of privacy as it always has done, i.e not that much.

I use Dropbox but encrypt the documents myself.
There are many people out there who trust cloud storage for all their personal stuff. You and I know that's not secure but Joe Public is notoriously ignorant of these things. If the bill and the resulting bruhaha highlights the lack of security is that not a bad thing?
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Re: Investigatory powers act who will access my data?

Depends what you put into the cloud. If you understand that it's not "secure" but is "safe" then it is a good idea. I don't care if someone does read what I do put on Dropbox, or Amazon photos etc. I am more concerned the data is safe, it's my off site backup.

One trouble is that "secure" can sometimes be more hassle than it's worth. If security gets in the way, people will ignore or find ways to bypass it. Security shouldn't be noticeable unless someone/thing tries to do something they shouldn't.
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Re: Investigatory powers act who will access my data?

They are basically storing a list of domains you have visited, not the pages, or content.

As to who will access the data - for members of CF I would guess at no one, unless we happen to have some terrorist members we dont know about. These services are extremely busy, and have to justify to senior officers (or equivelent) why they should access this data, they are not going to waste their time doing this unless its actually important. I also think its pointless, since its not really telling them much, plus organised criminal or terror groups will simply bypass such things with VPNs etc.
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Re: Investigatory powers act who will access my data?

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There are many people out there who trust cloud storage for all their personal stuff. You and I know that's not secure but Joe Public is notoriously ignorant of these things. If the bill and the resulting bruhaha highlights the lack of security is that not a bad thing?
No I just wondered if there was another part of the bill that I missed. I work on the assumption anything digital is recorded forever and may be available forever.
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Re: Investigatory powers act who will access my data?

I never put private data in the cloud, I store it in my phone's private area which is fingerprint restricted.
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Re: Investigatory powers act who will access my data?

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I thought this might make a change from brexit, migrants, trump, thatcher etc etc.

It looks like it's finally happened, Labour tried it, the coalition sorta tried it, and now the Conservatives have finally managed it.

Investigatory Powers Act

Shortly we'll be about to have the most invasive Internet surveillance in the world launched upon us. Not to mention the security risk posed by ISP storing all that data, remember the Talk Talk data breach?
The Ashley Madison data breach?
How happy are you to have the ISP's store your data for 12 months so that the following people can access it - all without a warrant.



Quite big isn't it.

Yes I know, 'nothing to hide nothing to fear' yada yada

Not so funny though when some hacktivist hacks your ISP and there's all that yummy data just sat there.

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There are thnigs people can do if they feel that perhaps a smidgen of privacy might be rather nice.

This article is quite useful.

https://www.theguardian.com/technol....nment-snoopers

and this showing the torrentfreak vpn review 2016

https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-anonymous-review-160220/

It would be nice to know other members feelings on this, and perhaps any VPNs etc they may recommend.

Remember - whilst the ISP's only keep your data for 12 months, Government agencies who scrape that data can potentially keep it forever.

In that case, whilst perhaps this government may well be ok in that regard, what about the next one, or the one after?
We all saw what happened when Councils got access to people via the RIPA act, the potential for misuse is massive.
Food for thought.
I don't think it's good to dismiss privacy with a throw away nothing to hide nothing to fear line

It's like saying free speech isn't important because I have nothing to say imo
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Re: Investigatory powers act who will access my data?

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They are basically storing a list of domains you have visited, not the pages, or content.

As to who will access the data - for members of CF I would guess at no one, unless we happen to have some terrorist members we dont know about. These services are extremely busy, and have to justify to senior officers (or equivelent) why they should access this data, they are not going to waste their time doing this unless its actually important. I also think its pointless, since its not really telling them much, plus organised criminal or terror groups will simply bypass such things with VPNs etc.
True, which is why I think they're using terrorism as an excuse to spy on citizens.
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I don't think it's good to dismiss privacy with a throw away nothing to hide nothing to fear line

It's like saying free speech isn't important because I have nothing to say imo
I agree totally, my reference was because that's the standard line they trot out with to justify such things.
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I agree totally, my reference was because that's the standard line they trot out with to justify such things.
Yes I figured that, thought it worth a comment regardless though
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