Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It very, very obvious that our European cousins have learn't nothing about the British or how we think.

We will not be threatened or bullied and to do so will only strengthen our resolve. They are not being clever They are playing into Theresa Mays hands, and she is capitilising on it with her speech today.

Regardless of political persuasion no British person will take being threatened by Europe, and they would rather display the middle finger than acquiesce to unreasonable demands.

They should take the threat of us walking away in the face of unreasonable demands very seriously because I believe if it came to it May would have the support of the people, rather than bend down and take it in a fashion that Tim Farrons would deem sinful.

And all those remainers and Europhiles, do you not yet see the true EU? We dare defy them and they would rather see us all burn than try and do sensible deal that works for both.

I guarantee if this fails to work it will because of the EU. I hope they see sense and start replacing some of their nonces like Juncker with sensible diplomats.

Yes, we'll fight them on the beaches etc etc. Times have moved on. By ourselves we're very little as we'll soon find out.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Think you are very wrong on that one Mick.

Instead of whinging about me posting "other people's opinions", why don't you try assuming it was a useful contribution to the discussion and try reading it? It presents a clear argument that there is no legal basis for the EU to demand any money, and this week's shenanigans are best explained by them finally realising that the process of getting even one penny out of us is a political, not a legal, process.

Anything we pay, will be a goodwill payment on our part, and - if we pay anything - it will be far, far short of any figure they have touted so far.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Chris

Instead of whinging about me posting "other people's opinions", why don't you try assuming it was a useful contribution to the discussion and try reading it? It presents a clear argument that there is no legal basis for the EU to demand any money, and this week's shenanigans are best explained by them finally realising that the process of getting even one penny out of us is a political, not a legal, process.

Anything we pay, will be a goodwill payment on our part, and - if we pay anything - it will be far, far short of any figure they have touted so far.

Legal or not, assuming we want to trade with the EU post Brexit, we need to keep them onside. May's rhetoric over the last week has been damaging to the country's future. She's played the wrong card, the EU can survive without us, where as we'll struggle if we don't get a decent deal.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Legal or not, assuming we want to trade with the EU post Brexit, we need to keep them onside. May's rhetoric over the last week has been damaging to the country's future. She's played the wrong card, the EU can survive without us, where as we'll struggle if we don't get a decent deal.

She's played precisely the right card. The EU needs to know we're serious. There's also the small matter of a general election, and her obvious calculation that there are votes in it.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Chris

She's played precisely the right card. The EU needs to know we're serious. There's also the small matter of a general election, and her obvious calculation that there are votes in it.

'Votes in it', lol, that seems to sum up her strategy atm, and after the election when we've ****ed everyone in the EU off??? Let me guess we'll be 'strong and stable' , with no friends, or some other cobblers

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Yes, we'll fight them on the beaches etc etc. Times have moved on. By ourselves we're very little as we'll soon find out.

In Tim Farron's world you can either be a giver or a taker, if you know what I mean. I'll put you in the latter category.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

Legal or not, assuming we want to trade with the EU post Brexitl.

This kind of tripe just proves how brainwashed you are. We will continue to trade with EU PST Brexit regardless of how the negotiation goes.

What's up for discussion is the terms of how trade.

What winds me up is the belief that it's a one way street, do you not think that the EU will want to trade with us post Brexit?

Do you think the Germans won't want to sell us cars, the French sell us wine and cheese etc etc etc.

If the EU fail to reach a trade agreement with us they will be hurting their own industries and economies and their publics won't thank them for it.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by Chris

She's played precisely the right card. The EU needs to know we're serious.

Spot on

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

She's played precisely the right card. The EU needs to know we're serious. There's also the small matter of a general election, and her obvious calculation that there are votes in it.

It's pretty much all about elections be they in France, Germany or the UK. Theresa May's posturing fools the inevitable sheep whilst the 100m Euros is a nice figure that taxpayers in Germany and France will remember at the ballot box. I'm sure the real negotiations later in the year will be somewhat more sensible.

[Gavin78]

We didn't fight and lose so many during WW2 to take this kind of threat from Europe.

Germany/France the real hench men of all the nations they say what happens the rest follow.

We have been the 2nd biggest contributer to the EU. you really think they want to lose 8.6bn a year. They are worried a lot for **** will come our way and we need to stand our ground.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

We didn't fight and lose so many during WW2 to take this kind of threat from Europe.

Germany/France the real hench men of all the nations they say what happens the rest follow.

We have been the 2nd biggest contributer to the EU. you really think they want to lose 8.6bn a year. They are worried a lot for **** will come our way and we need to stand our ground.

We're the eight largest net EU contributor apparently. I thought we were higher too. https://inews.co.uk/explainers/chart...much-get-back/

Originally Posted by Mr K

Legal or not, assuming we want to trade with the EU post Brexit, we need to keep them onside. May's rhetoric over the last week has been damaging to the country's future. She's played the wrong card, the EU can survive without us, where as we'll struggle if we don't get a decent deal.

Absolute BS. You just don't know when to stop with it do you?

The EU would not survive with a no deal and no we don't need to keep those imbeciles on side at all.

While elsewhere you got Tim, nice but dim, Farron and Corbyn who would not hesitate doing the brown nosing with them, weakening the negotiating process completely.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

We're the eight largest net EU contributor apparently. I thought we were higher too. https://inews.co.uk/explainers/chart...much-get-back/

No we're not, we're the second biggest contributor after Germany.

That pictograph is based on a 'per head' basis, which ranks us as eighth. On pure moneterial contribution we are second.

This article explains it. Do your research a little more diligently

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/ho...ld-it-pay-for/

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Absolute BS. You just don't know when to stop with it do you?

The EU would not survive with a no deal and no we don't need to keep those imbeciles on side at .

A carefully though out argument as always Michael !

Doubtless they'll still let us buy their goods but at what cost, and what tariffs will be impose on UK goods? Our position really isn't as strong as as people and May think.

As an aside it's always amazed me how many 'patriotic' swivel eyed loons are zipping about in their Audi,/BMWs. Drinking French wine, and eating their cheese. Prefer Wensleydale myself!

. We need the EU to trade with on good terms it accounts for half our exports; they don't necessarily need us,.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Theresa May's posturing fools the inevitable sheep .

Those would be the sheep who know that taking a strong stand in the negotiations and refusing to be scared by a desperate EU; calling their bluff on ridiculous demands, will result in the best deal?

[jonbxx]

We will be paying something after Brexit but not €100bn. That's the EU going in high and will be massively helpful for the UK negotiating team as there is wriggle room here. My guess - we will pay around €40bn. This will be classed as a victory for the UK, saving face in front of Murdoch, Dacre, etc.

Notably, nothing of substance has come from the UK team to date and I look forward to seeing what our official position will be. I would hope something will be in the Conservative manifesto but I suspect not, especially if it's a 'soft' approach. Also of note is that the only thing we have heard on the official government position is through the leak to FAZ which the government s not happy about but have not denied is a true picture apart from 'not recognising'.