Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[Travelstar]

Originally Posted by Osem

Logic would dictate that climate change has indisputably been ongoing since the birth of our planet and will continue until it's final demise for all sorts of reasons which are beyond our control. Humanity's contribution to climate change is quite another thing and there is quite a bit of disagreement about the significance of that.

On this point you are wrong. Over 95% of scientists agree that humans are responsible for the relatively rapid changes occurring right now.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Travelstar

On this point you are wrong. Over 95% of scientists agree that humans are responsible for the relatively rapid changes occurring right now.

your argument might carry more weight if you posted links to the scientific data behind your theory .

[Travelstar]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

your argument might carry more weight if you posted links to the scientific data behind your theory .

Happy to oblige:

https://www.skepticalscience.com/glo...termediate.htm

The above link will give a precis before allowing you to go straight to the academic paper on the subject.

Keep this thread on topic. Climate change has nothing to do with Brexit.

As for the 'everyone knows what they voted for' I don't think it's that simple. People voted for Brexit but there are a huge number of questions as to what happens next that cannot be answered by 'leave means leave'. One of them is what do we do about the huge number of regulatory bodies of which we're a part? Stay a member? Do our own version? Find another one?

The latest one is do we stay a member of Euratom as the government says no: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...aty-allies-eu/ This is a treaty that allows joint research, smooth transport of nuclear materials and parts and so on.

This was never mentioned in the referendum. Even the campaign manager of Leave is joining those in the nuclear industry and scientists in thinking this is stupid.

https://twitter.com/odysseanproject/...54037956718593

1/ Govt MORONS say they're withdrawing from EURATOM. Near-retarded on every dimension: policy/politics/science/bureaucratic

2/ Tory Party keeps making huge misjudgements re what the REF was about. EURATOM was different treaties, ECJ role no signif problem

3/ Boris, Gove, Clarke, anybody sentient, tell May/DD TODAY this is UNACCEPTABLE [stuff] & must be ditched or she will be

4/ Use first fortnight of AUG to ditch truck loads of crap ideas foisted on us by shambolic 1st 9 months of the May govt, reboot

5/ Ignore whining from a small core of MPs who wd have destroyed Leave cmpgn if they'd controlled it, they have <15% support in country

And this the problem with the 'Brexit means Brexit' line and the 'we know what we voted for' response to any concerns about any approach in how we leave. We're deciding the future of our membership in a pan-European nuclear agreement based on a 52%-48% answer to a question which had little to do with how we manage nuclear research. So at the moment we're pulling out of a working agreement against the advice of almost everyone connected to the industry because Brexit means Brexit.

[Travelstar]

Originally Posted by Mick

Keep this thread on topic. Climate change has nothing to do with Brexit.

There are quite a number of parallels. Are you happy to stand by your post regarding predictions? Are experts generally wrong in your considered opinion?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

As for the 'everyone knows what they voted for' I don't think it's that simple. People voted for Brexit but there are a huge number of questions as to what happens next that cannot be answered by 'leave means leave'. One of them is what do we do about the huge number of regulatory bodies of which we're a part? Stay a member? Do our own version? Find another one?

The latest one is do we stay a member of Euratom as the government says no: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...aty-allies-eu/ This is a treaty that allows joint research, smooth transport of nuclear materials and parts and so on.

This was never mentioned in the referendum. Even the campaign manager of Leave is joining those in the nuclear industry and scientists in thinking this is stupid.

https://twitter.com/odysseanproject/...54037956718593



And this the problem with the 'Brexit means Brexit' line and the 'we know what we voted for' response to any concerns about any approach in how we leave. We're deciding the future of our membership in a pan-European nuclear agreement based on a 52%-48% answer to a question which had little to do with how we manage nuclear research. So at the moment we're pulling out of a working agreement against the advice of almost everyone connected to the industry because Brexit means Brexit.

You could say that about voting for anything. When we vote for a govt. we don't know what we're going to get do we? We don't know whether they'll honour their promises, perform admirably or mess up the entire economy and we don't get a chance to change it for 5 years. In 2010 lots of people voted thinking there'd be no student fee increases and look what happened to that. When Brexit is complete I have no doubt that whatever mutually important agreements, understandings or whatever which are required in areas such as this with the EU will be reinstated in one form or another.

Originally Posted by Travelstar

Are you happy to stand by your post regarding predictions? Are experts generally wrong?

You obviously don't know me well. I always stand by everything I post, including instructions to remain on topic. I suggest you follow them.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Travelstar

There are quite a number of parallels. Are you happy to stand by your post regarding predictions? Are experts generally wrong in your considered opinion?

Looking at thier past record YES!

[Travelstar]

Originally Posted by Mick

You obviously don't know me well. I always stand by everything I post, including instructions to remain on topic. I suggest you follow them.

I am staying on topic.

So do you feel it is correct that we should dismiss all predictions by 'experts'? Especially since many of these people have spent much of their careers working in their respective fields? If a majority of reports surrounding Brexit suggest that the outcome will only make us poorer we should simply ignore it because it is a 'prediction'?

I am only aware of one study which showed a net gain for the UK in event of Brexit, and that specific report has been wholeheartedly debunked in recent months.

Originally Posted by Travelstar

If a majority of reports surrounding Brexit suggest that the outcome will only make us poorer we should simply ignore it because it is a 'prediction'?

Absolutely. No expert has worked in the field of leaving the EU and I don't know how many times I can make myself more clearer. I stand by my post(s)!

[Osem]

Brexit isn't a science and who's to say where we or they will be a few years downs the line. There are plenty of very serious problems simmering away within the EU that have yet to come to a head. How does anyone know how badly they'll affect the UK whether inside the EU or not? How many financial experts predicted the problems in 2007/8? Most of the so called experts may have been opposed to Brexit but the majority decided the other way and that's all that matters now. What we didn't vote for is an outcome which people would try to change after the event. It doesn't take an expert to see that.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Osem

Brexit isn't a science and who's to say where we or they will be a few years downs the line. Most of the so called experts told the UK not to vote for Brexit but we did and that's all that matters now. What we didn't vote for is for people to try and change the outcome after the event.

l accepted the Brexit result pure and simple but one cannot expect people not to express their opinions and views like others do on here.

Originally Posted by Osem

Brexit isn't a science and who's to say where we or they will be a few years downs the line. Most of the so called experts told the UK not to vote for Brexit but we did and that's all that matters now. What we didn't vote for is for people to try and change the outcome after the event.

Exactly!

I am no expert but the unbalance of the whole EU Economics, can only lead to a financial catastrophe. Only 10 out of 28 Countries paying in substantially more than they get back, the rest piggy backing, others requiring more bailouts, like Greece for example. I don't need to be an expert to say, I made my right to choice to vote leave. #StillNoRegrets

[Osem]

Originally Posted by denphone

l accepted the Brexit result pure and simple but one cannot expect people not to express their opinions and views like others do on here.

Expressing opinions and trying to change the result are very different things.

Remainers are welcome to carry on telling us how wrong it all is until the cows come home. They just won't be EU cows...