European Elections 2017

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Damien

Final tally 66% to 34%.

in addition to the low turnout 11% of ballot papers were spoiled or left blank.

It is clear that Macron is the leader by default and not by choice.

He was simply the least worst choice.

Not really stimulating.

Originally Posted by Pierre

in addition to the low turnout 11% of ballot papers were spoiled or left blank.

It is clear that Macron is the leader by default and not by choice.

He was simply the least worst choice.

Not really stimulating.

I think it's more often the case than not. If you're electing one person to run the country that person will have had to make a number of compromises to accommodate the electorate.

That said Macron did win the first round too. At least that percent of his support was not with him because he wasn't Le Pen.

Originally Posted by Pierre

in addition to the low turnout 11% of ballot papers were spoiled or left blank.

It is clear that Macron is the leader by default and not by choice.

He was simply the least worst choice.

Not really stimulating.

He also walked out on stage during Europe Anthem, rather than French Anthem, that would not have gone down well with many in France.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

At least one country isn't bonkers.

Go move there then instead of moaning. Let those of us here who do not want to be associated with corruption, be the ones who are far from bonkers who want to save our country from a bunch of pricks.

[jonbxx]

Interestingly, according to exit polls, Macron scored highest amongst people older than 70, followed by young people. It's the middle aged who voted most for Le Pen. So Le Pen scored lowest with young idealists and people who actually remember what a right wing/Nazi France was like.

Source - http://www.ipsos.fr/sites/default/fi...ai_20h15_0.pdf

Originally Posted by Mick

He also walked out on stage during Europe Anthem, rather than French Anthem, that would not have gone down well with many in France.

He has made no secret of his pro-EU stance. Campaigning with EU flags behind him for example.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Pierre

in addition to the low turnout 11% of ballot papers were spoiled or left blank.

It is clear that Macron is the leader by default and not by choice.

He was simply the least worst choice.

Not really stimulating.

This..

[Mr K]

He was the least worst choice by a long way !

Originally Posted by jonbxx

Interestingly, according to exit polls, Macron scored highest amongst people older than 70, followed by young people. It's the middle aged who voted most for Le Pen. So Le Pen scored lowest with young idealists and people who actually remember what a right wing/Nazi France was like.

Source - http://www.ipsos.fr/sites/default/fi...ai_20h15_0.pdf

NF always struggled with anyone who was around in WW2 and the Vichy regime.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

At least one country isn't bonkers.

It wasn't long ago that some Brexiters were predicting the Netherlands and France would elect pro-leave candidates and the EU would be finished!

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It wasn't long ago that some Brexiters were predicting the Netherlands and France would elect pro-leave candidates and the EU would be finished!

Yes I sense some of the Brexit brigade are gutted by this result. It ain't going to make it easy for May. He's pro EU and on record as saying that the UK shouldn't be allowed to have the best of both worlds, not the best of signs.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

He was the least worst choice by a long way !

l was talking to my nurse this morning about the choice for the electorate in France , America and Britain and basically l said its about picking the best of a bad bunch IMO as sadly the calibre of politician we have nowadays compared to the past is not that good IMO.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Yes I sense some of the Brexit brigade are gutted by this result. It ain't going to make it easy for May. He's pro EU and on record as saying that the UK shouldn't be allowed to have the best of both worlds, not the best of signs.

Actually, I didn't care one iota. Macron winning now paves the way for the possibility of a no deal and hard brexit from that pile of garbage. Guess I'm not bonkers after all for not wanting to be associated with a corrupted entity.

[heero_yuy]

Agreed. It makes much more likely what I and many others voted for: A complete break from the EU. Not EU lite that the remoaners seem to want.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It wasn't long ago that some Brexiters were predicting the Netherlands and France would elect pro-leave candidates and the EU would be finished!

Anybody, especially Mr Junckers and his ilk, that think this result means that everything is hunky dory in EU land best be very very careful about how they go about their business over the next 5 years.

The Right has risen across Europe, so much so that they are now in the mainstream and not on the fringes. If the EU refuses to change their outlook and acknowledge their failed ideology and policies then they will be doomed.

Just because the pro-EU centre parties have won this round of elections (Germany still to go obviously) it does not guarantee anything in the next 5 years.

If I was the EU commission, I would be relieved but not triumphant. They need to change and to do that they need to get rid of the self serving dinosaurs like Junckers out of the commission.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It wasn't long ago that some Brexiters were predicting the Netherlands and France would elect pro-leave candidates and the EU would be finished!

Don't get your love for corruption. But don't get complacent, they are still losing a major financial and contributing member. Plus there is no way we will be paying a hefty divorce bill, those fools deserve nothing.