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Old 06-03-2016, 22:13   #136
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Never been proven to be a roid head, she's a beast though, former boxer and kickboxer and not just some bum either, one of the best P4P boxers in the world.

Rousey got as exposed as you could be in a fight, nothing resembling a defence or a guard and absolutely no plan B when your gameplan fails to work and thus she was truly annihilated by Holly Holm, it was brutal. She started believing her own hype and got overly aggressive and was quickly counter punched into oblivion.

Holm on the other hand is a former World Champion boxer so naturally her ground game is going to be pretty shabby, something Tate jumped on.

Tate can be got at easily standing up but doesn't have better ground skills than Rousey.

Thus you have a triangle. Holm > Rousey > Tate > Holm.

Then you have maybe's, I think Holm beats Tate stood up, she beat Rousey the same way. I think they both beat her on the ground as we've already seen Tate do. Tate gets matched on the ground and beaten stood up against Rousey as already seen.

It's not a bad position to be in but the division is new and naturally it's massively unserstocked with Talent, it's just people believed Rousey was far better than she actually was. It was bound to happen.

McGregor completely threw away his fight with Diaz too, so much talk and hype for him to start obliterating Diaz then for no apparent reason drop his guard and literally asks Diaz to punch him, only to end up on his back and quickly subdued in a submission win for Diaz. Massive screams of Amir Khan way back, another fighter full of hype that dropped his gameplan and got humbled. (See Danny Garcia fight)
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I've heard holly holm on steroid stories but there is nothing to substantiate the stories other than a supplement she takes was once found to have a band substance in it, name a supplement that isn't true of though at one time or other. Think it's got more to do with sour grapes on many of rouseys supporters part than anything else, a hell of a lot of people lost a lot of cash because of that defeat
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With McGregor and Rousey, a lot of people are newcomers to the sport and this also applies to boxing. When you've been watching for years now, you just know if someone is having it easy and will eventually get a tough match or even be exposed. Rousey brought in a lot of new fans whom didn't quite grasp the fact she was the leader of a new and naturally poor quality division (It'll be years before there's completely solid fighters in that division)

Before Holm, Rousey had never really taken combos, never really had to defend against power punches and very rarely found herself countered. She made a horrible mistake of trying to trade with a boxer and was quickly exposed as having a horrible defence and the inability to switch it up and recover. Long story short, she's really not as good as made out to be.

McGregor on the other hand is exactly what he says he is, this guy can bang. His problem is what I dub Amir Khan syndrome, he gets such a lead he starts being an absolute arrogant @ and for whatever reason just completely dropped his hands and starting edging his face towards Diaz asking him to punch him and quickly ends up tapped. Anderson Silva, Amir Khan. If you take the eye of the ball to showboat then you deserve everything that comes back. He can have no complaints about it. Defeat will only make him better and more ruthless next time out. People can laugh and act like he got a tough fight but in reality, McGregor beat McGregor. A quick humbling is what he needs, he'll only get more dangerous now. You don't just fade away after one defeat, this is the same guy that ruined 10 years of Aldo with a single counter punch.

Lastly, speaking of substances, if Cyborg cuts to 135 then that entire division is in for a rude awakening.
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Bit inactive but I guess I'll get it up to date.

Anthony Joshua - Someone made the absolutely horrendous move of landing him a Title fight against Charles Martin on April 9th. I actually believe he can stop Martin, but again he could indeed lose this fight and be left ruined. Martin is hardly world class. This isn't a step up in fairness, this is far too quick and should he beat Martin and become the World Champion I think they need to reflect on the can of worms they've just opened. There'd be a 16-0 Heavyweight with no credible opponents waiting at the top of a chain of mandatory challengers that include David Haye, Deontay Wilder and so forth. There is no good ending to this. Anthony Joshua will be floored by both Haye and Wilder inside 5 rounds.

Anthony Joshua is nowhere near ready for the power and speed of Wilder and Haye. If Dillian Whyte is rocking his chin then you can rest assured Wilder or Haye will take it clean off his face. Eddie Hearn is a mad man.


Haye has a fight penned in for May, Shannon Briggs keeps making claims Haye keeps knocking him back and if true I can't really blame him, Briggs needs to be gone. Haye is too quick and far too powerful to be fighting a 44 year old man. See the Vitali Klitschko fight against Briggs, it was atrocious it was allowed to go the distance. Briggs shouldn't be anywhere near a boxing ring after that never mind someone even quicker who will land twice as many punches. Great heart but needs to really hang it up. Haye will go the route of mandatory challenger for the IBF title and thus forcing Joshua into vacating or fighting. This is what I mean by stupidity on the Joshua Camp.

Fury still has that rematch with Klitschko penned in at some point, no doubt we'll see postponements and what not. I'm expecting Groves vs Froch II, Fury will come in with the same plan against a man that's studied him relentlessly and then be neutralized. If Fury comes in with something completely different, he'll catch Wlad once again off guard and expose him.

Amir Khan opted for Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez and is jumping weight. Great move and hopefully he can settle in or return back to WW. It's also a shining example of why Kell Brook seriously needs to do a lot more before calling out the likes of Khan and Mayweather. The opponent difference is hilarious.

Canelo or Kevin Bizier, not that Kevin Bizier is fighting Brook in the next fight and has 25 wins against unknown fighters with 2 losses coming to none other than Jo Jo Dann. Quite incredible. Brook can lap up the British hype all he wants and lay claim to things that he has no business claiming but the reality is any true boxing fan knows he's currently not worth anything to the boxing world unless he starts putting on actual PPV fights and not scraps with Taxi drivers he found in Canada.

With that in mind.

Expected results and future fights.

Joshua wins a sketchy fight or gets knocked out himself - This one worries me. I hope he does win but there can be nothing great to come of it for the immediate future, I can't see him getting away with ducking Wilder, Haye, Fury or even Klitschko for very long and that's troublesome this early in his career. He has everything needed to be Lewis II but dear lord have some patience. I'm all for moving up in opponents given the status of some of our boxers but hold off throwing him into a shark tank!

Haye wins vs unknown. He'll not be fighting anyone that great, it'll be a knockout early on and another step towards Joshua/Wilder. If it's Briggs then it shows you how deluded these fights can get.

Brook wins vs Bizier, this is daft. just daft, another shining example of sitting in your backyard calling out prime fighters who have no interest in you and then taking on someone 20 levels below you instead. He has no intention of working his way to Khan, Canelo or anyone else on top of the WW food chain. A typical bum fighter. Anyway he'll win, he doesn't have a choice either, if he lost to someone like Bizier, his career would be in tatters.

Amir Khan vs Canelo (Either way) Could Canelo trouble Khan with power? I'm unsure, can he even land a clean punch? that's probably the better question. could go either way but I doubt Canelo is taking Khan on points. If Canelo can't land then Khan schools him for 12 rounds.

Fury vs Wlad, honestly have no idea which way this goes, said above it's completely dependent on game plans and cited Groves vs Froch II of a shining example of trying to repeat the same plan a second time round.
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Lucas Browne fails drugs test weeks after declining fight with David Haye. With Haye penned in for may and what I assume will now be a Vacant WBA belt, we could have 3 british champions by June.
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Kell Brook beats Kevin Bizier with ease.. what a joke, this is getting ridiculous now.
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Anthony Joshua vs Charles Martin (c) for the IBF Heavyweight title. Live on Sky box office tonight (Expected Joshua @22:45)

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The nation hopes for a Joshua win in a fight that could go either way. It was a silly fight to make and even though I give Joshua the edge, this is too soon, He's got Haye banging on the door now, He's got Wilder wanting to unify. Are we going to witness the birth of the new ducker? Is he going to avoid these massive fighters and take on mandatory challengers? I hope he knows Haye is pretty close to mandatory for the IBF title. Joshua can not and will not beat Haye or Wilder at this stage in his career. Dillian Whyte was a step up, another small step would've covered it well and so forth but he's been thrown into a shark tank here, the one decent punch he's taken had him reeling on the ropes. Martin can throw bangers but again if he survives that, Haye and Wilder throw punches that are out of this world and Joshua can be got at easily. This is a boxer falling foul to the living up to someone else's reputation mantra. Forget about Lennox Lewis and make a good career of yourself. Tell Eddie Hearn where to shove it.
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If Joshua gets hit on his glass chin he will go down quite quickly in my opinion.
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From what I've seen Joshua appears to be an exceptionally well grounded and thoughtful individual with a lot of talent but I do think he's being steered too far too fast and that could be catastrophic. That having been said, the quality and depth of talent within the heavyweight division doesn't compare with was it was at its height so there's probably never been a better time to be 'fast-tracked' in this way. If he has been 'pushed' into this think his advisors may have made a big mistake, gambling that he'll make it through, rise to the challenge, feed their egos and generate them more millions. I really do hope it works out for him but something in me says it'd be better for him, in the long term, to lose this fight on points and learn from the experience before taking on another world title shot. He's a very gifted young man and if handled properly could be a great champion as opposed to someone whose career was cut short to suit people who probably aren't all that interested in his long term prospects.
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I backed a fight with Chisora, I felt even though Chisora offers nothing special, he would've had the most reputable chin out of everyone in Joshua's record. I don't really think that much of Charles Martin, He's never really fought anyone worth mentioning. Just hoping there isn't something more about Charles Martin
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I backed a fight with Chisora, I felt even though Chisora offers nothing special, he would've had the most reputable chin out of everyone in Joshua's record. I don't really think that much of Charles Martin, He's never really fought anyone worth mentioning. Just hoping there isn't something more about Charles Martin
What about a nice stamina testing fight chasing Audley Harrison around the ring?
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Just heard that Conor Benn has won his first pro fight with a one round stoppage. Could Benn Jnr v. Eubank Jnr be on at some future point? Their fights in the days of Watson, Collins and McLellan were awesome.

Great picture of Benn senior and jnr in the ring after the fight here timed at 22.26:

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Joshua wins in round 2 after 2 knock downs. We have a new world heavyweight champion folks.
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Brilliant stuff but it had to go longer, he's literally taken nothing away from that fight. It's another early stoppage and big questions are still going to exist. He has the power but does he have a chin? does he have the 12 round stamina? Thankfully Charles Martin had absolutely nothing about him. Looked beaten from the first bell.

Massive ceiling, don't waste it on early fights with Haye or Wilder, he doesn't need those fights. I'm sick of seeing tragedy with upcoming British prospects, neither of them are worth the risk. He's going to be around a lot longer after they're gone. Get him a 12 round bash about otherwise that chin will crumble when someone hits it.

So, staying away from big punchers, Fury is my logical choice. I think that could be a knockout win for AJ or a points win for Fury.. He could drag AJ out into uncharted waters. I do think he could knockout anyone including Haye and Wilder but he just could not take the onslaught those fighters would throw back just now. Whyte rocked him and he went through this barely taking a shot again. What happens if Haye or Wilder land right hands? a relatively untested shaky chin can just fall away. Haye and Wilder are two fighters that can knock anyone out if they land. Haye is a bit more dangerous because he's a lot more quicker. Wilder is a terrible boxer, he truly is dire and I think he'll get his at some point but he's a knockout pony, he has that one punch ending in him.

So for me, Fury if they're hell bent on pushing the big money fights. Stay away from Haye, he'll be long gone by the time Joshua can comfortably bang with him. Wilder though, a few more fights away? desperately needs a good slugging bout in him though.

Either way, forget about Lennox Lewis, this guy can be better.
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Lennox Lewis would make him look rather slow and one dimensional in my opinion as Lewis fought top class fighters rather then hand picked easy has beens and bums.
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Not sure Lewis was taking on too many top class fighters at the start of his pro career to be fair. A lot of the bigger names he fought were well past their primes at the time. That having been said Joshua has become world champion rather too easily and quickly IMHO. He needs to slug out a couple of tough wins against durable and experienced opponents which is what many of the best champions had to do on their way to the top.
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