Unstoppable migration?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

What l believe each country. should be trying to find out who these traffickers are.
In fact that poor father who lost his family, actually said that he paid money to traffickers who left them stranded on the boat

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

What l believe each country. should be trying to find out who these traffickers are.
In fact that poor father who lost his family, actually said that he paid money to traffickers who left them stranded on the boat

They were being trafficked from Turkey I believe, is turkey not safe for refugees anymore?

[figgyburn]

Cameron has blinked.Man of straw.One day of media pressure.Pathetic.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by figgyburn

Cameron has blinked.Man of straw.One day of media pressure.Pathetic.

he talks a good fight but never comes out of his corner to start round one ,he just chucks the towel in .

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by figgyburn

Cameron has blinked.Man of straw.One day of media pressure.Pathetic.

I am waiting before I make that decision about his actions.

The liberal and Left brigade are also making a lot of noise about opening the borders and letting them all in. A picture of a dying 3 year old was a huge gift for the liberal press.

It looks like Cameron has given in to the pressure will take a 'number' from the camps near the Syrian border, these are more likely to be genuine asylum seekers than those in France and Hungary.

What I am waiting for is what his actions will be after we takes these asylum seekers. I am hoping he will then give a firm message that we have done our bit and then increase security and deal with any illegal entries into our country in a swift manner.

[Osem]

This really is only the start of a huge problem. For those who manage to get to where they want to be it's great and many of them deserve our help and support but for there's millions left behind, the vast majority of whom will have reasons for wanting to come to the EU which are entirely understandable but don't amount to refugee status.

What's needed is a serious plan to cope with refugees closer to home and some of our generous aid budget should be allocated to doing that. What's also needed is a credible system to define and separate refugees from economic migrants in order to stem the flow of the latter.

The deaths of men, women and children won't stop because the EU takes a 1,000, a 100,000 or 1,000,000 Syrians because the world is full of poor, desperate people and they too will feel they have a right to come here too. They'll see what's going on, they'll see large numbers of people getting through and they too will decide to take their chances. Unless we do something about that they will come in ever increasing numbers. and we have to have a plan for dealing with them. That is undeniable and I have yet to hear the likes of Merkel and Junker explain what they propose we do. They haven't because they've got no idea what to do and that just about sums up the EU for me.

[figgyburn]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...-way-life.html

Read this.i know the daily mail is not everbodys cup of tea but max hastings is a respected historian.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

What l believe each country. should be trying to find out who these traffickers are.
In fact that poor father who lost his family, actually said that he paid money to traffickers who left them stranded on the boat

I listened to the father recounting his story of what happened (R4 yesterday) and it raised a couple of questions in my mind:
He said that his wife and children (suddenly?) died whilst on the boat.......what of?
He said that the captain of the boat saw the huge waves and "jumped overboard"......why would he do that? It makes no sense for someone who is relatively safe on a boat to jump overboard into the water
The other question I have is that a poor boy is washed up on a beach from a boat somewhere in the Med and the father is immediately on hand. That's an amazing coincidence. How the hell did they find him so quickly?

[Osem]

I want to know who's going to manage the quotas and how they're intending to keep people who want to go to Germany or the UK, for example, within in the likes of Lithuania, Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Croatia, Bulgaria, Estonia, Slovenia and Romania. Without the will and the ability to keep those people where they're sent, by force if necessary, any quota system is complete nonsense or am I missing something?

It seems to me the proof of what I'm saying is evident in Hungary and Calais right now - those people are safe, could claim asylum etc. but want to go somewhere else so much that they're prepared to risk their lives even when they're already in the EU.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I listened to the father recounting his story of what happened (R4 yesterday) and it raised a couple of questions in my mind:
He said that his wife and children (suddenly?) died whilst on the boat.......what of?
He said that the captain of the boat saw the huge waves and "jumped overboard"......why would he do that? It makes no sense for someone who is relatively safe on a boat to jump overboard into the water
The other question I have is that a poor boy is washed up on a beach from a boat somewhere in the Med and the father is immediately on hand. That's an amazing coincidence. How the hell did they find him so quickly?

I'd allow a little for translation error; the report I saw certainly didn't suggest the wife and children were already dead before they went into the water.

Beyond that, I suspect all this happened reasonably close to shore, and the smuggler piloting the boat always intended to jump ship and swim back to Turkey as soon as it was away. That would also explain how the father was back so quickly, and how his children washed up so soon.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by figgyburn

Cameron has blinked.Man of straw.One day of media pressure.Pathetic.

David Cameron has a difficult balance to strike on this. Most of us don't want him to be a pushover in respect of EU countries demanding that we 'take our share' and hopefully he will be able to persuade them that they should be taking into account the number of migrants being accepted by countries over the last decade. I think we may top that list.

But he does need to take account of UK public opinion, which is changing rapidly. He does represent us, after all.

[nomadking]

The refugee issue is meant to come from WW2. How many refugees were there from the battle zones and where did they tend to go? They didn't go in large numbers to "safe" adjoining countries. They just went away from the immediate area. The whole of Syria etc is NOT a battle zone, therefore there are safe places even within Syria itself. Rarely is any country under fire throughout. How many are going to Lebanon which is right next door.

Originally Posted by nomadking

The refugee issue is meant to come from WW2. How many refugees were there from the battle zones and where did they tend to go? They didn't go in large numbers to "safe" adjoining countries. They just went away from the immediate area. The whole of Syria etc is NOT a battle zone, therefore there are safe places even within Syria itself. Rarely is any country under fire throughout. How many are going to Lebanon which is right next door.

WW2 was overwhelmingly fought on identifiable battlefronts between opposing, uniformed, disciplined armies. Syria is an asymmetric war and there are at least three or four major factions, many of them not in uniform, not in any way disciplined and, in the case of ISIS, rather fond of brutalising civilians. I would be very careful about trying to apply the situation in Europe in 1945 to Syria in 2015.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Chris

I'd allow a little for translation error; the report I saw certainly didn't suggest the wife and children were already dead before they went into the water.

Beyond that, I suspect all this happened reasonably close to shore, and the smuggler piloting the boat always intended to jump ship and swim back to Turkey as soon as it was away. That would also explain how the father was back so quickly, and how his children washed up so soon.

I was wondering about the possibility of translation error.

[Osem]

I note various local authorities are saying they're willing to step in and can accommodate refugees if that's decided. If that's the case why haven't they been equally willing to assist the homeless, destitute and desperate people they already have?

It strikes me that a lot of people are suddenly getting caught up in a wave of 'sympathy' and acting in a manner which isn't logical and is largely media induced. It won't be too long before there'll be people protesting that migrants have been found homes etc. whilst so many of our own people can't get them and are just as desperate.

I just hope that nobody is expecting large numbers of migrants to head back home if/when things settle down. That will be what our glorious leaders tell us but I think they'll be in the EU to stay.