Virgin Media 70, 150 & 200 Mb Upgrades - Page 14

Ignitionnet · 03-09-2015, 09:49

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Originally Posted by adduxi

If I'm reading my config correctly on BT Infinity, the 19Mb is a capped figure.
The upload attainable rate on my line is 29.9Mb, but the set rate is 20Mb.

Indeed. Capped to 79,999kbps down, 19,999kbps up at DSL layer.

Due to loss of performance over distance alongside interference from other lines most customers are unable to hit those numbers sadly.

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Originally Posted by Kushan

Yeah but for how long before it gets STM'd? :P

Haha! No idea, but STM is for now quite important to keep the usage of those who simply must seed about 30 torrents at a time under some kind of control.

pip08456 · 03-09-2015, 09:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by adduxi

If I'm reading my config correctly on BT Infinity, the 19Mb is a capped figure.
The upload attainable rate on my line is 29.9Mb, but the set rate is 20Mb.

Correct it is capped and could offer more if the cap were removed.

It's worth remembering that Virgin have the upper hand anyway as distance from the cabinet doesn't matter too much to their customers.

qasdfdsaq · 03-09-2015, 11:40

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

FTTC Infinity delivers at most 19Mb of usable upload in my experience. The Virgin product will deliver slightly over 20.

Until it gets STM'd, or you're doing something that VM's traffic shaping doesn't like

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Haha! No idea, but STM is for now quite important to keep the usage of those who simply must seed about 30 torrents at a time under some kind of control.

30? I'm seeding closer to 1000.

Kushan · 03-09-2015, 12:05

I almost never hit upload STM, so I'm ok with this.

qasdfdsaq · 03-09-2015, 12:16

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Originally Posted by Kushan

I almost never hit upload STM, so I'm ok with this.

I left VM back when there wasn't any STM on the top tier.

Still. VM's network is better for heavy downloaders, Openreach's network is better for heavy uploaders. No change there then.

Kushan · 03-09-2015, 12:24

Indeed and I think part of the reason that has happened is because, historically, uploading has never been a big deal to most people. The vast majority of people mainly download and don't upload a lot. That has all changed in the last few years, first with the rise of youtube and now with the advent of things like twitch, it's becoming more of a necessity and it would seem that Virgin has taken notice. Hopefully 10:1 is back on the RADAR, even if we don't see it for a few years.

qasdfdsaq · 03-09-2015, 12:28

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Originally Posted by Kushan

Hopefully 10:1 is back on the RADAR, even if we don't see it for a few years.

Even if not, 300/20 is fairly close, and way better than the 50/1.5 I used to have a few years back.

Kushan · 03-09-2015, 14:00

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Even if not, 300/20 is fairly close, and way better than the 50/1.5 I used to have a few years back.

Indeed, I believe that original switch to 10:1 was a direct response to the changing landscape of internet usage. Sadly, the current ratios probably fall under the "Good enough" category but one can hope that improvements will come. Perhaps DOCSIS 3.1 will make a big leap with it's apparent 25% efficiency gain on the upstream side.

Chrysalis · 03-09-2015, 14:10

I expect BT could do 25mbit/sec upload with 10% of people hitting that speed quite easily now, they seem to have left more buffer on the upstream than downstream in terms of sync speed. But I guess also VM could push for that speed as well on their rollout albeit with the risks of congestion.

BT are now banking on their boring g.fast which I think will be quite a slow rollout for those not near a cabinet.

Personally I would rather see 100/100 then say 300/20 or 300/30 and also of course for me good 24/7 performance with no visible contention is better than say blinding speeds at 4am but a fight with the mob for bandwidth at 9pm.

qasdfdsaq · 03-09-2015, 14:48

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I expect BT could do 25mbit/sec upload with 10% of people hitting that speed quite easily now, they seem to have left more buffer on the upstream than downstream in terms of sync speed.

It's something like a 3:2 divide in bandwidth.

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BT are now banking on their boring g.fast which I think will be quite a slow rollout for those not near a cabinet.

Maybe, maybe not. Those that are near a cabinet are going to see the least benefit so I don't see why they'd be prioritised.

Ignitionnet · 03-09-2015, 19:04

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Maybe, maybe not. Those that are near a cabinet are going to see the least benefit so I don't see why they'd be prioritised.

Easiest install of new G.fast kit. Either in existing cabinet or build a new, smaller one next to it and re-use the current cabinet's power and fibre ducts.

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

It's something like a 3:2 divide in bandwidth.

Bit more asymmetrical than that.

qasdfdsaq · 03-09-2015, 21:38

Fine, 5:2 then.

BUT: If you consider half the D1 band is crippled and the top frequencies (i.e. D3) are the first to go on longer lines, then... Ah screw it. You're right. Again.

Ignitionnet · 03-09-2015, 22:02

5:2 is actually about right - people seem to start losing upstream when their downstream drops below ~60Mb so it seems to be around a 3:1 ratio.

Looking at the stats I have recorded across my lines past and present:

Max:
Upstream rate = 21396 Kbps,
Downstream rate = 71320 Kbps

Max:
Upstream rate = 22764 Kbps
Downstream rate = 74204 Kbps

Currently:

Max:
Upstream rate = 21268 Kbps
Downstream rate = 63800 Kbps

As you mentioned, the upstream is clinging on while the downstream is tailing off as the crosstalk increases.

EDIT:

When I was the only connection live on the FTTC cabinet, the stats were:

Max:
Upstream rate = 29421 Kbps
Downstream rate = 98020 Kbps

Kushan · 04-09-2015, 08:13

My experience with DSL has always been the same, upstream seems fairly resilient while downstream tails off quickly.

vincerooney · 04-09-2015, 09:16

I'm on 152mb now. I barely get 20MB in peak as I have high utilisation issues. This has been ongoing for 2 years

Cant virgin media attempt to solve these issues around the country before doing stuff like this? as the person on the first page said...its willy waving. nothing more. lets brag on adverts we have all the sport and fastest broadband.

I think my old dongle is faster sometimes