Unstoppable migration?

Originally Posted by Osem

Given the huge numbers, the best thing we can do for genuine refugees is to provide safe haven as close to the home nations as reasonably possible. Secure camps well provided with food, water, services etc. When the fighting stops, we're then going to need to help these people move back to their homes and start to rebuild their lives. What we can't do sadly is allow everyone who's a refugee, desperate or vulnerable to start a new life in Europe. We're already seeing the inevitable consequences of that and it isn't pleasant.

I am wondering how long before we confront the idea that we may need to go into Syria with a view that we'll be staying there a long time. The numbers are so large at this point that the best place to accommodate them all is in their existing homes.

More immediately maybe it makes sense for an EU enforced border at it's edges. A cross-nation funded and manned border rather than expecting the fringe states to do it themselves. That might also mean troops on the ground at the common sailing points in Northern Africa too....

[Osem]

Boots on the ground are inevitable, it's just a question of whose. I know it's the fashion for people to want to do stuff remotely but someone is going to have to intervene in the manner that the UN and NATO should have done in Srebrenica 20 years ago.

Sadly we're also going to have to be a lot more diligent in identifying those who'd seek to do us harm and economic migrants. Given the circumstances, if I were a refugee feeling a war zone (as opposed to a migrant seeking a better life or a budding terrorist) I'd understand and accept why measures such as these would have to be taken by those tasked with the job of helping me and my loved ones.

I'm still waiting for confirmation that any of the celebrity great and good who jumped on the holier than thou bandwagon and promised to take in refugees have actually kept their word and helped anyone. They seem to have gone the same way as Euro proponents but maybe they're all just keeping their humanitarian works a secret so as not to embarrass the rest of us...

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Osem

Boots on the ground are inevitable, it's just a question of whose. I know it's the fashion for people to want to do stuff remotely but someone is going to have to intervene in the manner that the UN and NATO should have done in Srebrenica 20 years ago.

Doubt it whilst Russia is backing the regime.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Doubt it whilst Russia is backing the regime.

Boots on the ground in terms of personnel whose task is to protect and serve the 'safe zones' required for the refugees. As I said, just what the UN personnel were supposed to be doing in Srebrenica. These zones would obviously not be within the actual conflict areas but as close to them as reasonably practicable and safe. They could well be in neighbouring countries like Turkey. There's no shortage of empty space out that way - just a shortage of facilities and personnel to run them.

Ground forces getting directly involved in all the fighting would clearly not be a good idea.

[Taf]

I understand that Turkey has declared a safe zone for the Turkmen. Maybe this was the area overflown by the Russian plane that they shot down?

[Osem]

Some decisive action at last!

Nato ships are being deployed to the Aegean sea to deter people-smugglers taking migrants from Turkey to Greece, Nato chief Jens Stoltenberg says.

The announcement followed a request from Turkey, Germany and Greece at a defence ministers' meeting in Brussels.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35549478

Mr Stoltenberg said the mission would not be about "stopping or pushing back refugee boats".

Nato, he said, will contribute "critical information and surveillance to help counter human trafficking".

Ahh....

I don't suppose they'll get drawn into picking up more migrants at all...

[Taf]

So instead of the migrants scuttling their craft close to shore, they'll do it close to patrol ships. And maritime law says you must stop and rescue them. Let's hope the fixed policy will be to return them to Turkey.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Taf

So instead of the migrants scuttling their craft close to shore, they'll do it close to patrol ships. And maritime law says you must stop and rescue them. Let's hope the fixed policy will be to return them to Turkey.

Some bleeding hearts will expect them to be transported to their chosen destination.

It would be better to stop them getting on the boats at various crossing points. Once they're collected by the NATO ships then you have to work out what to do with them. Why would Turkey be happy with this arrangement?

[Taf]

Turkey is receiving large bribes from the EU to stem the flow, that's why their inward borders are shut perhaps?

[Ignitionnet]

We're going to need a lot of migrants in near future. We already have schools scouting for teachers to replace the ones quitting thanks to Michael Gove and Nicky Morgan, we'll be needing doctors to replace the ones leaving thanks to Jeremy Hunt's handiwork in the not too distant future.

[heero_yuy]

Those are the immigrants we want, it's the countless millions of unskilled anti-social ones that are swarming in that's the problem.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Those are the immigrants we want, it's the countless millions of unskilled anti-social ones that are swarming in that's the problem.

I'd prefer we keep those we spend tens of thousands educating to be honest.

I know a Canadian teacher who was recruited and came to the UK. About a term later she'd had enough.

We'll struggle to retain anyone recruited from the first world, and everyone else if they've sense will be here no longer than they need to be before going elsewhere to a less hostile environment where they aren't begrudged their salary and are treated like professionals rather than unskilled labour.

[Osem]

Those are the immigrants we want, it's the countless millions of unskilled anti-social ones that are swarming in that's the problem.

If we're properly in charge of our own borders and immigration policy we'll be able to pick and choose who we want to come to the UK whether they be highly skilled professionals or lower skilled tradespeople we might be suffering a shortage of. As harsh as it may seem, the last thing we need is countless thousands of people who have very little to offer at present, will inevitably soak up much needed services and resources* (such as housing, health care, education etc.) and who may well even come to express their dissatisfaction or frustration with real life in the UK by the sort of behaviour we've seen in large parts of Europe.

* not necessarily through any fault of their own.

[Ramrod]

Meanwhile, in la-la land

Child brides being brought to Europe by their often considerably older migrant husbands are to be separated in Denmark, but one high profile Imam is urging the government to accept “that it is a different culture”.

A number of recent cases where marriages of adult men to girls as young as 14 years of age, sanctioned by the Danish state, has become a national scandal.