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Old 12-07-2017, 17:21   #2341
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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What is happening now is that we are leaving the EU and as someone who firmly believes the EU is based on a fatally flawed concept and has no future, I'm very comfortable with that prospect and believe the UK's future is more secure in our own hands.
Dodged the question again.

Curious however to know why you think it is flawed, especially when the actual concept of the EU was actually a Churchill/Marshall idea. In fact Churchill at one point was even suggesting the UK and France join together as a single country (Franco-British Union), however I am sure you will regard this an inconvenient truth.
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Dodged the question again.

Curious however to know why you think it is flawed, especially when the actual concept of the EU was actually a Churchill/Marshall idea. In fact Churchill at one point was even suggesting the UK and France join together as a single country (Franco-British Union), however I am sure you will regard this an inconvenient truth.
or your dodging the answer
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Old 12-07-2017, 18:14   #2343
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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or your dodging the answer
I've not dodged anything.
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especially when the actual concept of the EU was actually a Churchill/Marshall idea..
Don't forget the Nazis.

The NAZIS and FASCISTS who founded the THE EU and their influence today - Rodney Atkinson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nf5KeC4dAs

(Oh, and Bilderberg gets a mention re Nazi influence)
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Don't forget the Nazis.

The NAZIS and FASCISTS who founded the THE EU and their influence today - Rodney Atkinson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nf5KeC4dAs

(Oh, and Bilderberg gets a mention re Nazi influence)
That's complete tin foil hat territory. Not interested in going there. Reality always better.
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Don't forget the Nazis.

The NAZIS and FASCISTS who founded the THE EU and their influence today - Rodney Atkinson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nf5KeC4dAs

(Oh, and Bilderberg gets a mention re Nazi influence)
I'm surprised it's so unpopular here
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That's complete tin foil hat territory. Not interested in going there. Reality always better.

So you watched the documentary then? A 37 minute documentary in 10 minutes!
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That's complete tin foil hat territory. Not interested in going there. Reality always better.
That is quite a rarity sometimes on this forum.
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That is quite a rarity sometimes on this forum.


It's still reality, even if it's reality from a few years ago. Not understanding the forces and philosophy that brought the EU into reality from the get-go is a mistake, because you won't have a clue what its ultimate destination aim is.
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Dodged the question again.

Curious however to know why you think it is flawed, especially when the actual concept of the EU was actually a Churchill/Marshall idea. In fact Churchill at one point was even suggesting the UK and France join together as a single country (Franco-British Union), however I am sure you will regard this an inconvenient truth.
I'm waiting for Osem's answer too.
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I'm waiting for Osem's answer too.
good for you

remember it's the brexit thread so it could take two years to get an answer unless you want to leave without one
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Dodged the question again.

Curious however to know why you think it is flawed, especially when the actual concept of the EU was actually a Churchill/Marshall idea. In fact Churchill at one point was even suggesting the UK and France join together as a single country (Franco-British Union), however I am sure you will regard this an inconvenient truth.


What it's become (a fixation with ever closer union, single currency, single economic policy etc and all with 28 very different member states) in my lifetime is a flawed concept but maybe before jumping to conclusions about what I may/may not consider to be inconvenient truths, you might want to have a look at the threads listed below. My numerous posts therein along with many others will give you an insight into what I (and many others here think) and why. When you've done that I'll be happy to clarify any questions you think I've dodged.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...light=Eurozone

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ght=referendum

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Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

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Dodged the question again.

Curious however to know why you think it is flawed, especially when the actual concept of the EU was actually a Churchill/Marshall idea. In fact Churchill at one point was even suggesting the UK and France join together as a single country (Franco-British Union), however I am sure you will regard this an inconvenient truth.
IIRC Churchill did more than suggest union he actually offered it, however I don't see how it's an inconvenient truth as he didn't do it out of love for France or Europe but to keep them in WWII
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