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Old 13-05-2017, 00:10   #16
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Re: Large Scale Cyber-Attack Hits Some NHS Hospitals

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The issue is not the OS but the idiots that click on links in e-mails. That's how the systems got infected. That WILL happen to any system running any version of Windows.
Totally agree, there is only so many times you can tell them. I did 8 years in the NHS so got the experience!
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Old 13-05-2017, 00:19   #17
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Anyone that blindly clicks links should be fired imo it's not as though this issue is new or not heard of and it's just not acceptable these days for anyone to do it. I can't remember where i read it but some security company sent out an email with the header of "i love you" with an attachment that apparently showed who loved them and clicking on the attachment sent a message to the security company that it had been opened 10k sent and over 6k reported back it's crazy how many people will do it. Blaming the OS is the easy way out and sounds good to those who don't know any better but if an idiot is at the desk at the right time no OS can protect when it's told not too.
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Re: Large Scale Cyber-Attack Hits 40 NHS Hospitals

The one thing you can't fix is stupidity!

At the last count I've seen, 74 countries and over 45,000 companies affected in 10hrs.
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Old 13-05-2017, 00:42   #19
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Re: Large Scale Cyber-Attack Hits 40 NHS Hospitals

Tracking down a user who clicked it is something you would never find in a hospital or any large organisation. They will never admit to it, unfortunately you can only tell these idiots so many times they never listen even on basic things.
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Re: Large Scale Cyber-Attack Hits 40 NHS Hospitals

Wondering if whitelist security / captive app list (eg. "child account") would have stopped this in it's tracks.

Sure, the old version of windows may be a hindrance, but when there is only a clearly defined set of apps that should be run, locking down permissions should greatly increase security
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Re: Large Scale Cyber-Attack Hits 40 NHS Hospitals

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Wondering if whitelist security / captive app list (eg. "child account") would have stopped this in it's tracks.

Sure, the old version of windows may be a hindrance, but when there is only a clearly defined set of apps that should be run, locking down permissions should greatly increase security
I doubt it as it operates via a type of backdoor. Once activated it looks for any other machine vulnerable on the network and infects them. That machine then does the same so the rate of infection is expotential, thats how it's been so successful in such a short time.

All because a 2 month old security patch wasn't installed by the relevant IT departments of the companies.
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Re: Large Scale Cyber-Attack Hits 40 NHS Hospitals

No patch for XP. NHS outdated systems screwed them, combined with Bob who thought he'd won Jupiter's weekly lottery.

Warned after Vault 8 about sitting on Zero day exploits. Warned after the NSA literally lost theirs in a hack.
Allowing rogue organisations to harvest zero days and create cyber weapons, still a good thing or...?
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Re: Large Scale Cyber-Attack Hits 40 NHS Hospitals

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Anyone that blindly clicks links should be fired imo it's not as though this issue is new or not heard of and it's just not acceptable these days for anyone to do it. I can't remember where i read it but some security company sent out an email with the header of "i love you" with an attachment that apparently showed who loved them and clicking on the attachment sent a message to the security company that it had been opened 10k sent and over 6k reported back it's crazy how many people will do it. Blaming the OS is the easy way out and sounds good to those who don't know any better but if an idiot is at the desk at the right time no OS can protect when it's told not too.
Even a idiot like me knows one should not do that.
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Re: Large Scale Cyber-Attack Hits 40 NHS Hospitals

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Anyone that blindly clicks links should be fired imo it's not as though this issue is new or not heard of and it's just not acceptable these days.
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Even a idiot like me knows one should not do that.
Didn't that happen on this site a few years back with not great consequences, can only imagine those consequences would've been even worse for the moderator concerned if he'd accessed the forum through his work computer that day
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Re: Large Scale Cyber-Attack Hits 40 NHS Hospitals

Yes people shouldn't class click on dodgy links but it only takes one. Even if they did, the IT should be secure enough to protect them. It's another symptom of chronic underfunding in the NHS. Where is Jeremy Hunt btw, missing in action again ? It was probably him that clicked it!!
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Apparently there should be back ups..
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Apparently there 'should be' back ups..
'should be' are worrying words. If we had a central NHS system, this wouldn't be in doubt.
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'should be' are worrying words. If we had a central NHS system, this wouldn't be in doubt.
Central system: One DDOS attack and the whole NHS goes belly up. Brilliant!
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Central system: One DDOS attack and the whole NHS goes belly up. Brilliant!
One worries how many other important systems are vulnerable?.
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