June 8th General Election

So you think kids born and brought up in this country one day wake up and decide they are going to kill fellow citizens all on their own, it's easy to blame the internet and a part of me feels they are using these attacks to get the snoopers charter in by a back door. All i know is the people i talk too that are working in this area all feel that our biggest issue with radicalisation are mosques and that radicals are more then happy to exploit our traditional belief that places of worship are beyond the normal surveillance umbrella.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I'd rather be armed if I could be. Even if everyone else can be as well if they choose to.

Same hear, i would have no issue with being armed as i did for 15 years without turning in to a madman

[adzii_nufc]

Said this in the Manchester thread and I've found my answer. Arm SIA licenced personnel if they pursue a firearms segment and regular training.

The Government coming under pressure over cuts to police and to armed police specifically.

Originally Posted by Damien

The Government coming under pressure over cuts to police and to armed police specifically.

More Police is not the answer. It did not stop 7/7, which happened under IRAbour's watch.

The Saudis link selling of arms etc, is tenuous. IS is self sufficient financially.

[tweetiepooh]

The US is "further away" than Europe so we are the first point in Islamist attack. We are also physically attached to Islamic nations via Europe (OK we are an island but it's not far or hard to cross the channel).

I can see more "grass roots" attacks coming. No central planning (or very little) because using a vehicle to plough into pedestrians can just be done any time any where.
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I do not want to see armed police on the streets or even other places. What I fear is bringing even more "security" like compulsory ID cards, regularly armed police, vehicle checks.

What is wrong with ID cards ?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Paul M

What is wrong with ID cards ?

Nothing IMO as long they are used right and properly.

[Dave42]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...cid=spartanntp

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Damien it's easy to setup a system for gun ownership a mandatory training period with an accredited facility for a minimum of three months to cover all aspects of firearm use and handling, full registration of all firearms with both a case and round fired from each weapon on record, letter of charector from someone who has known the applicant for ten years minimum and is qualified to make such a document. Lets not forget cost which between the course, charector recommendation and actual firearm wouldn't make it a casual spur of the minute matter.

A lot of that is already in place. It's wasn't easy getting my licence!

Originally Posted by Dave42

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...cid=spartanntp

? Please don't just post links with no explanation.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

A lot of that is already in place. It's wasn't easy getting my licence!

Ditto.

Notts are slow as well, took 4+ months.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Ditto.

Notts are slow as well, took 4+ months.

We used to have 6-8 months backlog but Kent have got their backsides in gear and I got mine in about 2!

I know the system for getting a firearm is a lot more robust then the majority believe. I have and didn't have in the past with an ID card a lot of nations have them in some form and it hasn't led to a huge increase in the violation of civil rights. What's clear is we cannot continue as we have we are far too open to attack and despite their best efforts the police and security services cannot safeguard us all constantly and prevent every attack . Better people then me need to look at this and decide what and how we have to change and the public especially that minority vocal bleeding heart brigade need to get behind it.

[ianch99]

I think TM's choice of a new slogan is unfortunate one:

From 2012: Police officers turn on Theresa May over cuts

The Home Secretary is heckled as she addresses the Police Federation. Officers wave placards declaring “enough is enough” in protest at funding cuts.