Football : The Scottish Football Thread

[buba3d]

that you did del, that you did, we done nothing wrong but certain folk can't accept that FACT, the only guilty thing that we have done and thats not pay paye at the start of last season because of a certain owner.

Loved this bit from the BBC story....

BBC Scotland's business correspondent David Henderson said the implications of the tax ruling were that "all those footballers who were playing for Rangers, happily being paid using these EBTs, may well get a letter in the post soon, saying 'give the money back to the liquidators, for onward transfer to the creditors'."

"That could include Sir David Murray, who allegedly took about £6m through this scheme."

[Derek]

Originally Posted by buba3d

that you did del, that you did, we done nothing wrong but certain folk can't accept that FACT

One other fact. Only one SPL team has actually used EBT's in an manner which was meant they had to repay taxes to avoid further action being taken. It's also the team that has suspiciously close links to the attempts to strip Rangers of their titles and whose fans only seem to know the direction to their stadium every few months.

I wonder which team that is...

[Chad]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Loved this bit from the BBC story....

I'd make Bert Konterman pay every penny back he got from Rangers, even if he didn't have an EBT!

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Derek

One other fact. Only one SPL team has actually used EBT's in an manner which was meant they had to repay taxes to avoid further action being taken. It's also the team that has suspiciously close links to the attempts to strip Rangers of their titles and whose fans only seem to know the direction to their stadium every few months.

I wonder which team that is...

Rangers:
Still dead
Still Tax Cheats
Still hurting

Not had the chance to read (My team were playing tonight) the full findings but not completely innocent is my reading. Some guilt in the big tax case, total guilt in the wee tax case and the missing tax that liquidated you.

[Henkesghost]

Spot on with all of that London Road. Huge night against Spartak to come, will be amazing night. Didn't deserve a draw last night but if Hooper had stuck his leg out we'd have nicked it. Europe after Xmas no matter what and at least 12 European games this season Wilson and Forster outstanding last night. Sad for Broony

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Chad

I'd make Bert Konterman pay every penny back he got from Rangers, even if he didn't have an EBT!

Worth every penny for THAT goal against the orcs at Hampden.

Originally Posted by LondonRoad

Rangers: - Still the most successful club in the world

There, fixed that for you. 54 titles and counting.

Originally Posted by Henkesghost

Spot on with all of that London Road. Huge night against Spartak to come, will be amazing night.

Why? Are TGFITW going to remove their green seat costumes for the night?

Maybe this all shows that a failed social worker, a lawyer done for fraud and a journalist who claims to act in the interests of football fans yet mocks the people who died in the Ibrox disaster are not the most reliable sources of information.

[Henkesghost]

Originally Posted by Derek

Worth every penny for THAT goal against the orcs at Hampden.



There, fixed that for you. 54 titles and counting.



Why? Are TGFITW going to remove their green seat costumes for the night?

Maybe this all shows that a failed social worker, a lawyer done for fraud and a journalist who claims to act in the interests of football fans yet mocks the people who died in the Ibrox disaster are not the most reliable sources of information.

Your team is deid!!! Your new one is in the 3rd divison, your owner is a con man. Your fans are as deluded as ever. You watch Kevin Kyle
We are champions, in Champions league, in semi of league cup, top of SPL, rake in way more cash than your new club every week, we have players that are worth millions, you have Lee McCulloch and a bunch of players no one has heard of. The gap gets wider and wider. The result of the big tax case changes none of that. M8 won't be replying to any of your posts as they are full of the sickness and bile that afllicts many of your clubs fans plus your club is insignificant, away to pie and bovril and talk to fans of clubs you have more in common with. Really wish we could be in your clubs shoes, AYE RIGHT!!!

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Henkesghost

We are champions, in Champions league, in semi of league cup, top of SPL, rake in way more cash than your new club every week,

Tainted champions. More cash every week with your fair weather fans?

I take it now that Benfica beat the team that beat the second best team in Spain they are now the best team in the world?

Rangers. Loyal fans, stick with their club through good times and bad.
Celtic. Glory hunters who can't be bothered turning up most weeks and cling to imagined 'crimes' by other clubs when ignoring the actual crimes of their own.

Originally Posted by Henkesghost

The result of the big tax case changes none of that. M8 won't be replying to any of your posts as they are full of the sickness and bile that afllicts many of your clubs fans plus your club is insignificant, away to pie and bovril and talk to fans of clubs you have more in common with. Really wish we could be in your clubs shoes, AYE RIGHT!!!

Not bile, facts. Kryptonite to Celtic fans.

It changes nothing? Well apart from proving Rangers never cheated and has exposed Lawell and his cronies yep nothing has changed.

[Stephen]

Oh dear, every post from you in this thread is making you sound even more bitter.

You are forgetting one key point and Hugh quoted it, the club may have gotten away with the tax case but they can and probably will go after those players/employees that benefited from the EBTs and ask them to repay the monies.

It doesn't prove that Rangers never cheated, it just proves that someone decided to let the old dead club away with it

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Oh dear, every post from you in this thread is making you sound even more bitter.

You are forgetting one key point and Hugh quoted it, the club may have gotten away with the tax case but they can and probably will go after those players/employees that benefited from the EBTs and ask them to repay the monies.

They can ask. At which point they will be told the loophole that closed this scheme was closed in 2009 and HMRC have no powers to recover monies paid before this time.

Of course they might then look at the 'movie investment' schemes used by a certain East End club to avoid paying regular taxes to players and staff. Funny how the Rangers Tax Case blog never mentioned that during their failed witchhunt.

Originally Posted by Stephen

It doesn't prove that Rangers never cheated, it just proves that someone decided to let the old dead club away with it

Funny definition of not guilty.

Is that what you are left with? Claiming Rangers aren't Rangers despite the SFL, SPL, SFA and UEFA all agreeing we are? Sad and deluded. Mind you it must hurt when all the hope you clung to that a better, more successful side were going to disappear has gone and your left with a league falling apart, half empty stadiums and a lot of questions being asked.

[LondonRoad]

You've clearly not bothered to read the tribunal finding Deek.

FACT. Rangers were guilty of tax evasion, not as guilty as HMRC had claimed but guilty none the less. It's a bit like somebody in court getting getting a lesser sentence than expected..... to simplify things for you.... verdicts still guilty.

You should read it so see how underhand your dead club was. The view of the dissenting opinion (the only tax expert on the panel) is particularly scathing. I suspect there's enough scope there for HMRC to appeal.

I also liked this bit:

Then, Mr Thornhill submitted, the employee should be
taxed not on the emolument but on the benefit. It was irrelevant, he continued,
whether the Remuneration Trust benefit was contractual. He conceded that where it
derived from a (footballer’s) side-letter it was contractual, but not in the cases of
bonuses paid to employees of other Murray Group companies.


So Sir Minty's QC acknowledges the that players' side contracts were contractual. That'll be those side contracts that weren't submitted to the football authorities.

LET THE TITLE STRIPPING COMMENCE

[Chad]

Jim Traynor gives his thoughts:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...er-win-1447935

[colin25]

Originally Posted by Chad

Jim Traynor gives his thoughts:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...er-win-1447935

It seems to ignore the facts. Tax man pursued Rangers as they were blatantly using EBT wrongly and illegally.

To say otherwise is somewhat silly.

They had a set back when others disagree, though I suspect they will appeal that.

During that period, they were also withholding other tax revenues they should have been paying (NI and tax).

I worry when journalists promote tax evasion.

Folks, as a neutral observer I should point out that it takes but a couple of seconds to establish, via Google News search, that every newspaper/website that has reported on the "big tax case" this morning has called it a win for Rangers. BBC Scotland unequivocally called it a win for Rangers in all their bulletins last night.

I don't imagine that will make a blind bit of difference to the vitriol in this thread though. And you're all as bad as each other.

A plague on both your houses.