Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[Osem]

Originally Posted by denphone

This is my view Andrew about both sides of the Brexit debate on here .

People are very much entitled to their views and opinions in the rules and constraints of a forum as we know whether they believe in Brexit or not as democracy involves free speech unless some have forgotten that as the last thing we want on here is patronising and superciliousness which IMO there has been too much of lately as yes disagree with someone else's opinion but don't bloody patronise or decry them because their view is different from somebody elses.

Having a view is one thing, making stuff up by claiming a bus banner was a government pledge is quite another and deserves to be ridiculed.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

We can all interpret posts in different ways. One man's insightful humour is another's patronising sarcasm. That's a constraint of forums.

I voted for Brexit because I had 'gone commando' on voting day. If I had been wearing underpants who knows what could have happened.

It was the unrestricted sense of freedom that did it for me. Were you perchance wearing tight fitting string underpants on voting day? If yes, try changing them now and see if it makes you feel differently.

[heero_yuy]

Donald Trump gave Theresa May a massive Brexit boost today as he said a UK-US trade deal will be signed “very, very quickly” after Britain leaves the EU.

The US President told the PM it would be a “very powerful deal” as he lavished praise on the UK – saying “no country could possibly be closer than our countries”.

He told her he believes Britain will “thrive” outside the EU and spoke of the "very special relationship" the pair had developed since he took office in January.

No10 said the two nations want to make sure they are in a position on Brexit day in March 2019 to sign and implement a deal “as soon as possible”.

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Bit different to Obama's "end of the queue" rubbish made at Cameron's request to bolster project fear.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

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Bit different to Obama's "end of the queue" rubbish made at Cameron's request to bolster project fear.

Yup - which side was pulling out all the stops when it came to scaring people? They even roped in a US president to tell the UK it'd go to the back of the queue FGS. Utterly, shamefully, pathetic.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Osem

Having a view is one thing, making stuff up by claiming a bus banner was a government pledge is quite another.

Sadly things were made up on both sides Osem as IMO the behaviour by some during the referendum and since has been nothing short of disgraceful as we would have thought grown adults could debate and have rational discussions about a good many issues but sadly that is too much to ask from our self serving politicians these days.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by denphone

Sadly things were made up on both sides Osem as IMO the behaviour by some during the referendum and since has been nothing short of disgraceful as we would have thought grown adults could debate and have rational discussions about a good many issues but sadly that is too much to ask from our self serving politicians these days.

if we have learned anything it's that politicians follow their own agenda once the voting is over .

[Osem]

Originally Posted by denphone

Sadly things were made up on both sides Osem as IMO the behaviour by some during the referendum and since has been nothing short of disgraceful as we would have thought grown adults could debate and have rational discussions about a good many issues but sadly that is too much to ask from our self serving politicians these days.

Nobody is seriously disputing that but just look at the evidence to see which side was responsible for most of the lies and scare stories.

Now what we're seeing is the losing side refusing to accept it and trying every trick in the book to overturn the result. That is perfectly clear and utterly reprehensible.

[Kursk]

Vince Cable said this morning that he can see Brexit not happening. The Libs have replaced a windbag with an old windbag.

If democracy is out of fashion in this Country, I shudder to think what might replace it.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Osem

Nobody is seriously disputing that but just look at the evidence to see which side was responsible for most of the lies and scare stories.

Now what we're seeing is the losing side refusing to accept it and trying every trick in the book to overturn the result. That is perfectly clear and utterly reprehensible.

Yes one should have accepted the result as that is democracy at work like any other election or forthcoming elections which this country is likely to face as that is the ballot box speaking and one should respect that past , present and in the future even if they don't like the end result...

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

if we have learned anything it's that politicians follow their own agenda once the voting is over .

You are a very wise man sometimes.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

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Bit different to Obama's "end of the queue" rubbish made at Cameron's request to bolster project fear.

Yet, you have Democrats in the US constantly moaning about Russia meddling in the 2016 US Election. Yet, here we had a former Democrat US President, coming here and making an intervention by blackmail. Pretty sure this is still meddling in a foreign election/referendum by the former US Commander and Chief. It should never have been allowed.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Mick

Yet, you have Democrats in the US constantly moaning about Russia meddling in the 2016 US Election. Yet, here we had a former Democrat US President, coming here and making an intervention by blackmail. Pretty sure this is still meddling in a foreign election/referendum by the former US Commander and Chief. It should never have been allowed.

It was the most blatant exercise in propaganda I think I can ever recall. A truly shocking attempt to scare the public and influence the referendum perpetrated by our own government. Appalling.

I think it could well have been Obama's intervention which swung the vote so I suppose we ought to be grateful to those responsible for underestimating the will of the British people and their refusal to be bullied by smooth talking suits from over there.

If you look at what Osborne is doing now, it's perfectly obvious what his intentions were in the run up to the vote and that was to scare the public into remaining in the EU despite the abject lack of concessions made by them.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Osem

And here we go again - another leading remainer who just won't let it go.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40547733

It's a bit rich whining on about Brexiteers taking umbrage all time when we're subject to a diet of this sort of thing on a daily basis in spite of the referendum result. The 'letting go' has to be done by those who lost the vote not the other way around.

He's not ceasing to let it go. He's analysed the situation and has said that no Brexit is a possibility. I can't see why anyone could be offended by someone talking in theoretical terms. HS2 may never happen. Heathrow airport expansion may never happen. I think all three will happen but I can't see any offence in mentioning the possibility however slim. Our forefathers fought for freedom of speech and we shouldn't ban politicians from espousing views that we personally disagree with unless they incite others to commit crimes etc.

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Originally Posted by Osem

Nobody is seriously disputing that but just look at the evidence to see which side was responsible for most of the lies and scare stories.

Now what we're seeing is the losing side refusing to accept it and trying every trick in the book to overturn the result. That is perfectly clear and utterly reprehensible.

We will have to disagree on this. In my opinion, neither side were angels but the Leave campaign were guiltier with blatant factual lies whereas the Remain campaign talked about what might happen.
If the country does continue to change its mind in 2019 when the deal is announced (and currently 54% are in favour of remaining) it does put politicians in an impossible situation.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

He's not ceasing to let it go. He's analysed the situation and has said that no Brexit is a possibility. I can't see why anyone could be offended by someone talking in theoretical terms. HS2 may never happen. Heathrow airport expansion may never happen. I think all three will happen but I can't see any offence in mentioning the possibility however slim. Our forefathers fought for freedom of speech and we shouldn't ban politicians from espousing views that we personally disagree with unless they incite others to commit crimes etc.

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We will have to disagree on this. In my opinion, neither side were angels but the Leave campaign were guiltier with blatant factual lies whereas the Remain campaign talked about what might happen.
If the country does continue to change its mind in 2019 when the deal is announced (and currently 54% are in favour of remaining) it does put politicians in an impossible situation.

The lies from the Leave side are being exposed by the day. 'Remains' to be seen what the public think of it all when they are substantially worse off. They won't be happy and feel cheated I predict, but sod all they can do about it by then. So long as someone 'won' and someone 'loses', that's the main thing

What lies are being exposed??? some detail would be good.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

What lies are being exposed??? some detail would be good.

Ooh, you could try these ones for a start