Football The Scottish Football Thread - Page 7

Henkesghost · 21-10-2012, 19:26

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Sorry but Celtic used to be a powerful side many years ago, but they would not last five minutes in the EPL.

I would look at Celtic's results against English teams in Europe. London Road is spot on.

Arthurgray50@blu · 21-10-2012, 19:45

London Road, you must be a Celtic fan. The large majority of PL clubs DON'T want Celtic or Rangers.

Celtic are not as powerful as people reckon, about 15 years ago l followed Celtic, as my wife's family are Celtic fans are mad on them, but they have lost there way and that's why l personally believe that they would last against the likes of Liverpool, Chelsea or Man City.

Henkesghost · 21-10-2012, 19:56

No way Celtic could currently compete with Man City or Chelsea but Liverpool are pretty poor just now. The Premiership has 6 to 8 decent sides but it also has a lot of poor sides in it Wigan, QPR, Norwich, Villa etc. Celtic would in my opinion be mid table initially but could challenge for top 6 within 3 years.

Sorry to hear you no longer like Celtic, it must be a great loss

**Hugh** · 21-10-2012, 19:58

Erm, Arthur, without Celtic and/or Rangers in the SPL, I doubt very much if it would survive, as the average attendance this year (including Celtic with an average attendance of over 45k) is 9,659 - link....

LondonRoad · 21-10-2012, 20:26

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Erm, Arthur, without Celtic and/or Rangers in the SPL, I doubt very much if it would survive, as the average attendance this year (including Celtic with an average attendance of over 45k) is 9,659 - link....

I disagree. The league would have to cut it's cloth to suit but it would still be a very competitive league.

I've made this point before but it is valid. In the years between both old firms achieving 9 in a row, the top league in Scotland was very competitive. Aberdeen and Dundee United won league titles, Aberdeen won European trophies, and Hearts and Hibs regularly challenged for trophies.

Remove Celtic from the equation and the league would be far more competitive every season. The average attendances of the other clubs are likely to increase if they had a realistic chance of winning the league. If you look at the attendances of European Countries outwith the big 4, Scottish clubs are quite well supported.

I'd prefer Celtic to remain in the top league in Scotland and I hope that, in time, somebody comes out of the pack to mount a challenge.

Arthurgray50@blu · 21-10-2012, 23:04

Hi London Road, I have been a football fan all my life and l am now nearly 61. When l was in my twenties, l went to home anad away games in England and Scotland, and both were very strong, Abedreen and Motherwell were very strong sides who couldn't touch Celtic or Rangers, l remember the days of the wee big man Johnson who played for Celtic.

I went to an old firm derby and it was big time football, and l went to Hearts and you could not get a seat in these grounds. Football in Scotland was big and could not be beaten by the English clubs. There was always big support for Scottish football, but sadly now when l see Scottish football, you see so many empty seats, and l believe that clubs now offer discounts to the fans that have hit hard times.

Scottish football at one time was big major stuff, its almost certain that Celtic will win the SPL and Rangers will get promoted.

Please don't get me wrong, football is not as strong as it was in Scotland and the clubs are suffering, and the players would not survive in the pace of EPL.

Thats why l said that if Celtic or any Scottish club would not survive in the EPL due to the pace of the game.

Spurs bought a player many years ago called Jones from a Scottish club and took him and played him alongside Steve Archibald, a Scot and sadly he didn't get to the pace that Tottenham wanted in the old First Division.

I watch for the results each week for Inverness Ally as l have a soft spot for them after watching a documentary on them several years ago, a fan from London flew up to Scotland each week to watch them play each week. (no it wasn't me|)

Henkesghost · 24-10-2012, 07:20

Think Celtic have proved with a win away in Moscow a draw against Benfica and a right good go against the best team in the world in their own midden that we would more than hold our own in the Premiership. Very very proud of this very young side and Lenny

Arthurgray50@blu · 24-10-2012, 14:22

Henkeghost, I watched this game and felt they played well, but they were totally outplayed by Barca.

They have got to play better at Parkhead, and even l shouted at the tv when Celtic conceded at the end, Clubs like Celtic cannot allow Barca ANY space as they will puinish them, this is why the are the best club in the world.

Henkesghost · 24-10-2012, 18:07

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Celtic cannot allow Barca ANY space as they will puinish them, this is why the are the best club in the world.

Exactly, that along with our other European results over the past couple of seasons have proved we are good enough for the Premiership. Not to win it but to compete. How do you think Wigan, QPR, Reading, Norwich, Villa, Southampton, Stoke etc would cope in the Nou Camp or against Udinese, Rennes, Spartak or Benfica? You think they would cope better? The premiership has some great sides that are way better than Celtic but also a lot of dross. Over hyped. Like you say we were playing what many think are the best club side ever and we coped. We have beaten these other sides recently too along with Milan,Juventus , Man Utd, Liverpool etc in the last few years.

Arthurgray50@blu · 24-10-2012, 18:18

Celtic are a great side - not as good as bygon years, what l am saying is that they have got to up there game for the return game.

Wigan, Norwich or QPR would get slaughtered against Barca as they are not up to that standard of European football. Barca are the elite in football, like the SAS in the army.

Henkesghost · 24-10-2012, 18:43

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Celtic are a great side - not as good as bygon years, what l am saying is that they have got to up there game for the return game.

Wigan, Norwich or QPR would get slaughtered against Barca as they are not up to that standard of European football. Barca are the elite in football, like the SAS in the army.

Agree m8 that's what I mean, Celtic are still good enough to survive in the EPL which has a dozen poor to average sides. Anyway Killie at the weekend.

colin25 · 24-10-2012, 19:08

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Originally Posted by Henkesghost

Agree m8 that's what I mean, Celtic are still good enough to survive in the EPL which has a dozen poor to average sides. Anyway Killie at the weekend.

I think Celtic would struggle against EPL sides. Championship sides would cause them issues.

Don't confuse a one off game as being great. Rubin beat barcelona a couple of years ago.

Derek · 25-10-2012, 06:57

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Originally Posted by Henkesghost

Think Celtic have proved with a win away in Moscow a draw against Benfica and a right good go against the best team in the world in their own midden that we would more than hold our own in the Premiership. Very very proud of this very young side and Lenny

Are you having a laugh?

Rangers play defensively away in Europe and get slaughtered in the press for playing 'anti-football'. Celtic get run ragged round the pitch and park the bus in front of the goals and all of a sudden lemon is a tactical genius.

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionslea...view/influence

90/10 possession in favour of Barca. If it wasn't for the EPL reject in goals it would have been a cricket score.

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Originally Posted by LondonRoad

The average attendances of the other clubs are likely to increase if they had a realistic chance of winning the league. If you look at the attendances of European Countries outwith the big 4, Scottish clubs are quite well supported.

Was that not the rubbish spouted when Rangers were kicked out the league? That attendances would soar with a new competitiveness for European football each year.

How's that working out for them then?

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Originally Posted by Hugh

(including Celtic with an average attendance of over 45k)

In their dreams. Funnily enough the actual attendance figures at games this year has been consistently 10k or so below the reported figure. Even for 3PM Saturday games not on TV they are lucky if Snake Mountain is half full.

Henkesghost · 25-10-2012, 09:09

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Originally Posted by Derek

Are you having a laugh?

Rangers play defensively away in Europe and get slaughtered in the press for playing 'anti-football'. Celtic get run ragged round the pitch and park the bus in front of the goals and all of a sudden lemon is a tactical genius.

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionslea...view/influence

90/10 possession in favour of Barca. If it wasn't for the EPL reject in goals it would have been a cricket score.

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Was that not the rubbish spouted when Rangers were kicked out the league? That attendances would soar with a new competitiveness for European football each year.

How's that working out for them then?

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In their dreams. Funnily enough the actual attendance figures at games this year has been consistently 10k or so below the reported figure. Even for 3PM Saturday games not on TV they are lucky if Snake Mountain is half full.

What a lot of absolute deluded nonsense

Arthurgray50@blu · 25-10-2012, 13:12

What saddens me in the SPL and also EPL is the lack of attendances in overall competitions.

I was watching a cup game recently, the ground was nearly empty, and l know that this is the 'scottish' thread, but the lack of crowds in the various comps no matter what the club, the crowds are porr which goes to show that fans can longer afford to get into grounds.