[Updated] New petrol & diesel car sales banned from 2030

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Osem

Our glorious selfless leaders, who'll be immune from any inconvenience suffered by the rest of us, don't want us to worry about that until we've got no choice then the costs and taxes will creep in and up...

That just about sums it up.

[Kursk]

2040 is just too far away. The revolution should begin NOW. Go electric!

[1andrew1]

BT confirms the total running costs of electric cars are lower as it announces a move to a hybrid fleet. Will VM follow?

Mr Dunne said BT had been testing different low carbon options in more than a dozen vehicles for some time and although hybrids that do not run on electric motors alone were more suitable for carrying heavy equipment, this could change.
“I wouldn’t discount a large percentage of the fleet being electric-only, given how quickly the technology is advancing,” he told the FT.
As those advances continue it makes the business case for battery-only cars a “no-brainer”, he added, explaining the BT moves to phase out diesel and petrol-only vehicles of such vehicles had been found to be lower than for those with internal combustion engines.

https://www.ft.com/content/2a1ee496-...a-eda243196c2c

Meanwhile, some of the charging issues are addressed in this article on Scotland. The article talks about large road-side batteries to charge vehicles plus multi-story charging parks. The conclusion was that there's money in solving it so business will invest money to solve it. Well worth a read.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-41181129

[Kursk]

It's so obviously the right thing to do only blinkered stick-in-the-mud's won't get it until it dawns on them electric is the future. Thank goodness for people like Elon Musk.

This is a big change but it's one for the better. It's the way progress works.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Kursk

It's so obviously the right thing to do only blinkered stick-in-the-mud's won't get it until it dawns on them electric is the future. Thank goodness for people like Elon Musk.

This is a big change but it's one for the better. It's the way progress works.

The biggest driver behind electric car adoption at the moment is China. It learnt the hard way about pollution.
There will always be a slim minority of people who deny climate change, links to asthma etc.
For those who don't want to give up their diesel/petrol cars, your existing cars won't be banned, just new petrol/diesel cars won't be on sale in 23 years' time.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The biggest driver behind electric car adoption at the moment is China. It learnt the hard way about pollution.
There will always be a slim minority of people who deny climate change, links to asthma etc.
For those who don't want to give up their diesel/petrol cars, your existing cars won't be banned, just new petrol/diesel cars won't be on sale in 23 years' time.

The irony with China's position is that most of their electricity comes from coal and that is the cause of much of the polluton issues that they face. Just converting to electic transport without cleaning up the generating side will only make the pollution worse.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

For those who don't want to give up their diesel/petrol cars, your existing cars won't be banned, just new petrol/diesel cars won't be on sale in 23 years' time.

Which is basically a back handed way of banning them.

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Which is basically a back handed way of banning them.

It's not the first time that a change has been done to what type of cars you can drive.

At least this change gives everyone enough time to get used to it an plan, and should cover a lot of cars buy > use > replace cycle.

A little better than the two years given for cars running on leaded petrol http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/225275.stm

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Which is basically a back handed way of banning them.

Yes and in the meantime you can bet there'll be hefty increases in VED as well as things like emissions zones to contend with and pay through the nose for. This will in time lead to the same end so whether your vehicle has been 'banned' of is just too expensive to run it amounts to the same thing.

I hope the predicted improvements in battery/charging technology occur in good time because the extent to which that happens will determine if, where and how we're all going to be able to keep our vehicles sufficiently charged to be usable. Sooner or later a national infrastructure programme will be required and it'll take years to deliver so I just hope we're not all left high and dry without any choice.

[papa smurf]

the future of british motoring

http://tuktukuk.com/buy-a-tuk-tuk/

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

the future of british motoring

http://tuktukuk.com/buy-a-tuk-tuk/

It's petrol-powered. That's not the future. Try to keep up titch

[heero_yuy]

No electricty needed

2-rider_rickshaw_bike.jpg

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Which is basically a back handed way of banning them.

What do you suggest instead?
Left to market forces, I think it's a foregone conclusion anyway.

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Originally Posted by Paul M

Which is basically a back handed way of banning them.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this point.

[heero_yuy]

USED diesels have fallen in value by as much as 26 per cent due to a string of scrappage schemes.

Thousands have been wiped off prices, with the Vauxhall Corsa down by over a quarter against an average diesel drop of 5.7 per cent in three months.

With tougher new clean air rules on the horizon Motorway.co.uk director Alex Buttle said: “Diesel cars are really starting to look like white elephants.”

The figures were released by Motorway.co.uk for the third quarter of 2017 after 24,000 car values were analysed during the year.

For the same period petrol cars saw a 5per cent rise in value as demand increased.

Concerns over diesel emissions were raised by the Volkswagen emissions scandal in September 2015.

Since then the UK Government has announced 'toxin taxes' which can see diesel drivers fined for taking their cars into cities.

Source

Looks like we could be rid of diesel cars sooner than 2040.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Looks like we could be rid of diesel cars sooner than 2040.

Good, the sooner the better. Huge opportunity for diesel conversion to electric (with partial Government funding I would suggest)