Updated: Large Global Scale Cyber-Attack
16-05-2017, 10:30
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Re: Large Scale Cyber-Attack Hits 40 NHS Hospitals
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16-05-2017, 18:12
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Re: Large Scale Cyber-Attack Hits 40 NHS Hospitals
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One possible way to mitigate this type of attack would be for emails to be opened in a sandbox.
The cost for businesses to implement throughout their network could be prohibitive.
A back-up on the other hand costs a damn site less. Any Hospitals down today???
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Backups may or may not be helpful. If the trojan hit several weeks ago, and has been silently encrypting/decrypting the files, then any backups are likely to be encrypted. Especially if the machines running the backups are vulnerable.
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What planet are you on?
I go to the doctor with say a knee complaint, he sends me the the hospital for an X-ray.
When I go back to him he clicks on a button and can see the X-ray result on screen and can make a decision on treatment.
This actually happened to me and enabled me to have a knee replacement within a year!
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The NHS, like any large organisation, has old and new hardware. When I worked for my old hospital (back in the early 90s), most of the administration was done on PCs of various vintages, but the patient records were only available on terminals that had been installed in the 70s. Terminals that I am told were in use until the early 2000s when the hospital was demolished and replaced with a state of the art new one. Now, we do have a system in place where things like X rays are available electronically, and our GP (at least) is registered with the NHS Epatient system, so we can book appointments and request repeat prescriptions through the web, iPhone or Android app.
It's not just public organisations that suffer it. Look at the problems experienced by customers of certain banks. Problems caused by the fact that although the bank's customer facing hardware and software is relatively new, it's using backend servers that were installed in the 80s, or in some cases, the 70s.
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16-05-2017, 18:24
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Re: Large Scale Cyber-Attack Hits 40 NHS Hospitals
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Problems caused by the fact that although the bank's customer facing hardware and software is relatively new, it's using backend servers that were installed in the 80s, or in some cases, the 70s.
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Problem is IT is seen as a 'back office function', and what little money going the politicians and public have demanded to go to the front line (nurses/drs/medicines). The frontline isn't any good with out the services to support it . It all comes back to money, which ever way it tries to be spun. Blaming poor management won't wash, if that was wholly the reason, why can't the NHS attract/afford decent managers ?
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16-05-2017, 21:38
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Re: Large Scale Cyber-Attack Hits 40 NHS Hospitals
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Backups may or may not be helpful. If the trojan hit several weeks ago, and has been silently encrypting/decrypting the files, then any backups are likely to be encrypted. Especially if the machines running the backups are vulnerable.
The NHS, like any large organisation, has old and new hardware. When I worked for my old hospital (back in the early 90s), most of the administration was done on PCs of various vintages, but the patient records were only available on terminals that had been installed in the 70s. Terminals that I am told were in use until the early 2000s when the hospital was demolished and replaced with a state of the art new one. Now, we do have a system in place where things like X rays are available electronically, and our GP (at least) is registered with the NHS Epatient system, so we can book appointments and request repeat prescriptions through the web, iPhone or Android app.
It's not just public organisations that suffer it. Look at the problems experienced by customers of certain banks. Problems caused by the fact that although the bank's customer facing hardware and software is relatively new, it's using backend servers that were installed in the 80s, or in some cases, the 70s.
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I was talking to a friend some time ago who is involved with bank IT systems.
Whilst referring to cashpoint machines, he said that the problem was that the original software was written in the 60's or 70's and had been updated as time went by. This meant that a lot of today's IT workers have the problem of working with ancient programmes that they may not fully understand.
When I asked why they didn't simply ask the original programmers, he replied that they were probably dead!
Perhaps this is also the case with other IT systems in various organisations and this is contributing to the problems that we are now experiencing??
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17-05-2017, 09:48
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Re: Large Scale Cyber-Attack Hits 40 NHS Hospitals
On the contrary it's the move away from mainframes running UNIX to networked PC's running Windows that has made our infrastructure so vulnerable.
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17-05-2017, 11:27
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Re: Large Scale Cyber-Attack Hits 40 NHS Hospitals
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On the contrary it's the move away from mainframes running UNIX to networked PC's running Windows that has made our infrastructure so vulnerable.
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Well some do use *nix flavours such as AIX but the really big guns generally run z/os with CICS processing the transactions.
But you're correct in that miscreants generally don't have access to the hardware and/or a means to seek out vulnerabilities plus the nature of these legacy systems don't present the variety of attack vectors present in a Windows based domain/network.
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22-05-2017, 12:22
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Re: Large Scale Cyber-Attack Hits 40 NHS Hospitals
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Problem is IT is seen as a 'back office function', and what little money going the politicians and public have demanded to go to the front line (nurses/drs/medicines). The frontline isn't any good with out the services to support it . It all comes back to money, which ever way it tries to be spun. Blaming poor management won't wash, if that was wholly the reason, why can't the NHS attract/afford decent managers ?
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Yes, but this really isn't good enough. The money needs to be apportioned appropriately between direct services and administration. The administration needs to be efficient and not just bolster the bureaucracy. The trouble is, everyone gets caught up in sound bites and no-one is tacking the actual problem. The direct services (nurses, doctors, etc) all rely on an efficient administration which will provide them with systems, policies and equipment they need and so squeezing administration is not necessarily going to improve the lot of the medical staff.
The administration needs to be properly focussed on the needs of the staff providing direct services instead of getting hung up on the kind of nonsense they come up with such as unnecessary reorganisations that make no real difference to the provision of services.
It is really quite worrying that a huge layer of bureaucracy (the Primary Care Trusts) have been abolished with no discernable impact on the provision of services.
Seriously, the NHS does not need an ever increasing amount of money, it needs a generous dose of efficiency in the way it is managed.
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22-05-2017, 13:23
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Re: Large Scale Cyber-Attack Hits 40 NHS Hospitals
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Yes, but this really isn't good enough. The money needs to be apportioned appropriately between direct services and administration. The administration needs to be efficient and not just bolster the bureaucracy. The trouble is, everyone gets caught up in sound bites and no-one is tacking the actual problem. The direct services (nurses, doctors, etc) all rely on an efficient administration which will provide them with systems, policies and equipment they need and so squeezing administration is not necessarily going to improve the lot of the medical staff.
The administration needs to be properly focussed on the needs of the staff providing direct services instead of getting hung up on the kind of nonsense they come up with such as unnecessary reorganisations that make no real difference to the provision of services.
It is really quite worrying that a huge layer of bureaucracy (the Primary Care Trusts) have been abolished with no discernable impact on the provision of services.
Seriously, the NHS does not need an ever increasing amount of money, it needs a generous dose of efficiency in the way it is managed.
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Nail on head!
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27-06-2017, 20:06
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Re: Large Scale Cyber-Attack Hits 40 NHS Hospitals
BREAKING: There seems to a large scale cyber attack taking place across the globe similar to the attack which struck NHS hospitals, back in May.
http://news.sky.com/story/live-chern...ttack-10929065
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A "powerful" cyberattack that started in Ukraine hit banks and IT systems around the world
Chernobyl has been affected
The UK's National Cyber Security Centre is investigating
Russian, US and German companies were also among those hit
British advertising group WPP said its computer networks in several locations had been targeted
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27-06-2017, 22:11
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Re: Updated: Large Global Scale Cyber-Attack
Most likely idiots again opening attachments from sources they don't know.
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28-06-2017, 09:30
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Re: Updated: Large Global Scale Cyber-Attack
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Most likely idiots again opening attachments from sources they don't know.
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but it said open me in the header
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28-06-2017, 09:56
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Re: Updated: Large Global Scale Cyber-Attack
Has Sky News website been hacked as When I click to go to their webpage It's showing old stories without pics. Im on my iPad, so it's not showing cached content my side ?
http://news.sky.com
Showing Ken Clarke story as the top story ?
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28-06-2017, 09:57
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28-06-2017, 09:58
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Re: Updated: Large Global Scale Cyber-Attack
ok here top story hillsborough criminal charges
take that back its ken clark now
the home page is all over the place
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28-06-2017, 10:12
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Re: Updated: Large Global Scale Cyber-Attack
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ok here top story hillsborough criminal charges
take that back its ken clark now
the home page is all over the place
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Yeah I just clicked that Ken Clark story and it took me to a 2012 news item on Duran Duran.
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