[Updated] New petrol & diesel car sales banned from 2030
17-09-2017, 20:16
|
#421
|
cf.mega poster
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Winnersh UK
Services: LL Phone, TiVo, M+ VM mobile, BBand 150M tier Superhub, TIVO 500 M+
Posts: 2,114
|
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M
I've had a look through my 1975 annual and I could not see this
|
It is in the 1975 Dandy annual :-)
|
|
|
18-09-2017, 00:03
|
#422
|
-.- ..- .-. ... -.-
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,842
|
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M
I've had a look through my 1975 annual and I could not see this
|
Check your 1975 Bunty annual then
|
|
|
18-09-2017, 11:56
|
#423
|
Virgin Media Employee
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Winchester
Services: Staff MyRates
BB: VM XXL
TV: VM XL
Phone : VM XL
Posts: 3,115
|
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
I can see driverless, electric cars in the large population centres but isn't there already public transport for that. So maybe in the suburbs, less populated areas, smaller cities/towns or if carrying something or other reasons to want a private conveyance. Maybe also between sites, regular journeys especially if journey does take in town/city centres.
But it will be those other journeys, those less regular, unplanned events away from populations. Maybe taking your small boat to a river/coast for a day sail then needing a secure store while you are out on the water. Going out on a mystery tour. Just going out and seeing what you can find, stopping for undetermined amount of time. Covering eventualities, what about if you day destination doesn't have mobile coverage, what if you go out to the mountains and the weather closes in (please wait 2 hours while we route a car to you...sorry roads are now impassible). You live on a farm, your wife's pregnant and something happens, now you need to get her to hospital, not ambulance quick but still don't want to wait long time for some company to route something out to you. Here's a real one for me, you go to archery, you have your bow and arrows with you. After the shoot you want to go to the pub, when you get there you don't want to take all your kit in with you. How do you work these into some car "share" scheme? And people won't want to pay the extra to have a car wait around for storage.
The real issues that need resolving mostly are around the large population centres, traffic levels, pollution, noise, parking/storage. Electric/driverless/share could work well in these places. You can't try to force the same model onto all situations. But most politicians live and work in large population centres so we will end up with ...?
One final issue is for some the pleasure of driving.
__________________
I work for VMO2 but reply here in my own right. Any help or advice is made on a best-effort basis. No comments construe any obligation on VMO2 or its employees.
|
|
|
18-09-2017, 14:20
|
#424
|
-.- ..- .-. ... -.-
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,842
|
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh
I can see driverless, electric cars in the large population centres but isn't there already public transport for that. So maybe in the suburbs, less populated areas, smaller cities/towns or if carrying something or other reasons to want a private conveyance. Maybe also between sites, regular journeys especially if journey does take in town/city centres.
But it will be those other journeys, those less regular, unplanned events away from populations. Maybe taking your small boat to a river/coast for a day sail then needing a secure store while you are out on the water. Going out on a mystery tour. Just going out and seeing what you can find, stopping for undetermined amount of time. Covering eventualities, what about if you day destination doesn't have mobile coverage, what if you go out to the mountains and the weather closes in (please wait 2 hours while we route a car to you...sorry roads are now impassible). You live on a farm, your wife's pregnant and something happens, now you need to get her to hospital, not ambulance quick but still don't want to wait long time for some company to route something out to you. Here's a real one for me, you go to archery, you have your bow and arrows with you. After the shoot you want to go to the pub, when you get there you don't want to take all your kit in with you. How do you work these into some car "share" scheme? And people won't want to pay the extra to have a car wait around for storage.
The real issues that need resolving mostly are around the large population centres, traffic levels, pollution, noise, parking/storage. Electric/driverless/share could work well in these places. You can't try to force the same model onto all situations. But most politicians live and work in large population centres so we will end up with ...?
One final issue is for some the pleasure of driving.
|
I'd stay in if I were you. The World holds too many questions for which you have too few answers.
If you think about the things that concern you, I bet you could come up with alternatives to your usual routines but, fear not, when people have needs other people think of ways to fulfil them. It's been that way since man first used tools to hunt.
Perhaps City dwellers will use the 'dial up' vehicle service and country folk will have their own EV? Oo arr, that's an idea?
|
|
|
18-09-2017, 15:11
|
#425
|
Inactive
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Right here!
Posts: 22,316
|
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh
I can see driverless, electric cars in the large population centres but isn't there already public transport for that. So maybe in the suburbs, less populated areas, smaller cities/towns or if carrying something or other reasons to want a private conveyance. Maybe also between sites, regular journeys especially if journey does take in town/city centres.
But it will be those other journeys, those less regular, unplanned events away from populations. Maybe taking your small boat to a river/coast for a day sail then needing a secure store while you are out on the water. Going out on a mystery tour. Just going out and seeing what you can find, stopping for undetermined amount of time. Covering eventualities, what about if you day destination doesn't have mobile coverage, what if you go out to the mountains and the weather closes in (please wait 2 hours while we route a car to you...sorry roads are now impassible). You live on a farm, your wife's pregnant and something happens, now you need to get her to hospital, not ambulance quick but still don't want to wait long time for some company to route something out to you. Here's a real one for me, you go to archery, you have your bow and arrows with you. After the shoot you want to go to the pub, when you get there you don't want to take all your kit in with you. How do you work these into some car "share" scheme? And people won't want to pay the extra to have a car wait around for storage.
The real issues that need resolving mostly are around the large population centres, traffic levels, pollution, noise, parking/storage. Electric/driverless/share could work well in these places. You can't try to force the same model onto all situations. But most politicians live and work in large population centres so we will end up with ...?
One final issue is for some the pleasure of driving.
|
... and you can bet that they and the great and the good won't be inconvenienced - they're far too important - but perhaps if they were going to be they'd think it all through a whole lot more.
|
|
|
18-09-2017, 21:00
|
#426
|
Dr Pepper Addict
Cable Forum Team
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Nottingham
Age: 61
Services: Flextel SIP : Sky Mobile : Sky Q TV : VM BB (1000 Mbps) : Aquiss FTTP (330 Mbps)
Posts: 27,726
|
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken W
It is in the 1975 Dandy annual :-)
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk
Check your 1975 Bunty annual then
|
Ah... but he said Beano, so thats what I checked.
Quote:
Yes that's what my 1975 Beano said about 2017
|
__________________
Baby, I was born this way.
|
|
|
18-09-2017, 21:49
|
#427
|
-.- ..- .-. ... -.-
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,842
|
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M
Ah... but he said Beano, so thats what I checked.
|
Pah, Lord Snooty
|
|
|
18-09-2017, 22:01
|
#428
|
Sad Doig Fan!
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Barry South Wales
Age: 68
Services: With VM for BB 250Mb service.(Deal)
Posts: 11,657
|
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M
Ah... but he said Beano, so thats what I checked.
|
Tell the truth Paul, you didn't want to admit having the Bunty 1975 Annual!
|
|
|
18-09-2017, 23:51
|
#429
|
Oh When The Saints!!
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Kernow
Posts: 3,926
|
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456
|
Doesn't everyone?
__________________
Confusion Will Be My Epitaph.
|
|
|
19-09-2017, 00:11
|
#430
|
-.- ..- .-. ... -.-
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,842
|
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian
Doesn't everyone?
|
I thought you were more of a June & Schoolfriend sort of chappie julie
|
|
|
25-09-2017, 07:59
|
#431
|
cf.mega pornstar
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 18,802
|
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy
The big fly in the ointment of your vision is legal accountability, the likes of uber won't pay out when their cars kill and injure people, that's why they'll need a bum on a seat for the foreseeable future and there not as safe as people make out, when a driver less car was responsible for someone's death the CEO justified it as a tragedy but the car had done 250k miles without incident and the assembled press nodded at how impressive a feat that was without seemingly considering how many people they'd killed in their quarter of a million miles motoring.
|
That bum might be on that seat for 20+ years
https://www.collisionrepairmag.com/n...-years-or-more
|
|
|
13-10-2017, 20:28
|
#432
|
Inactive
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 4
|
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking
Advances in computing and electronic devices are very different, in that they don't have to do much physical work. Where physical work was involved, advances meant less physical work was required to achieve the same result, eg HDDs vs SSDs.
Propelling a vehicle for 100 miles with a family, coping with difficult terrain eg hills, difficult weather conditions eg snow, and possibly towing a caravan requires physical work, no matter what the propulsion system. There is absolutely no way around that. The amount of energy required to be transferred and stored in a battery is huge. The nearest thing would be a battery you could top up with pre-charged liquid. Not sure how safe that liquid would be to handle. It would be more "volatile" than petrol.
The energy in petrol was locked in millions of years ago. Having to "generate" that amount of energy each day and having to distribute it down power lines is pretty much a non-starter. Then you've got to replace current gas usage.
|
Generating methane from renewable energy would be a better solution to the problem. I realise it's not ideal as the process is inefficient and the renewable energy would be better spent running a turbine. But when you think, renewable energy can't be stored for a sufficient length of time. A methane based approach doesn't appear so far fetched. It also has the added bonus of creating an energy dense fuel we're already familiar with.
|
|
|
13-10-2017, 20:45
|
#433
|
Inactive
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Right here!
Posts: 22,316
|
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
Whatever happened to LPG?
|
|
|
13-10-2017, 21:46
|
#434
|
vox populi vox dei
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: the last resort
Services: every thing
Posts: 13,739
|
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem
Whatever happened to LPG?
|
they sell it close to me and it's cheap i tried to get my car converted to use it [3.3 ltr petrol] but could not get a reply from any company i contacted . as far as i know it's a few taxi's and all police cars that use it around here
__________________
To be or not to be, woke is the question Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer. The slings and arrows of outrageous wokedome, Or to take arms against a sea of wokies. And by opposing end them.
|
|
|
14-10-2017, 16:23
|
#435
|
Inactive
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Right here!
Posts: 22,316
|
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
Yes, it's still around but why didn't HMG do more to promote it in view of the petrol/diesel concerns? No need for new infrastructure etc.
|
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT +1. The time now is 17:38.
|