[Updated] New petrol & diesel car sales banned from 2030

[papa smurf]

i see a business opportunity here i buy a smelly old diesel truck with a big smelly diesel generator on the back and go around charging up these green machines i mean no one cares where the power comes from as long as it's in the tossler .

[Taf]

A cyclist-powered generator on call to any location? 24/7? Just call and they cycle up and pump out pedal-generated electricity whilst wearing lycra and pretending they are competing in the Tour de France?

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Taf

A cyclist-powered generator on call to any location? 24/7? Just call and they cycle up and pump out pedal-generated electricity whilst wearing lycra and pretending they are competing in the Tour de France?

Oops, I think you just inadvertently "outed" yourself there Taf

[tweetiepooh]

As others have states what ever powers new cars have to be as "friendly" to use as fuel in the "infernal combustion engine" (Harry Harrison).
1)Full "charge" in minutes in many places and fuel to remain good for a long while (no greater "leakage")
2)Range measures in many hundreds of km's
3)Reasonably compact - no good having all your storage taken up by "fuel".
4)Vehicle to perform similarly to current - sporty, pulling, handling, space, off road (whatever you use/choose in your car).
5)Easy to carry extra fuel - long distance/remote driving e.g. safari, exploration

I'm not limiting to electric/battery as some other technology may present itself.

Originally Posted by Kursk

The chargers will be installed in/on lamposts amongst other places.

Who is going to pay to rewire all our street lights ? and how will you be charged for using it ? or do you think councils will allow us to recharge for free ?

Originally Posted by Damien

Although again I wonder if self-driving cars will reduce the amount of cars everywhere anyway.

Why would self driving cars reduce the number ?

[oliver1948uk]

Buses use a great deal of energy with all the stopping and starting. Yet already there are experimental routes operating with electrically powered buses. I understand that while at the terminus for 5 minutes they pick up a booster charge from something hidden under the tarmac (nothing to plug in)

[Osem]

We can only guess at what improvements to battery/charging technology and the cost thereof which may occur between now and whenever this happens but I think I can safely predict that our glorious leaders, the great and the good and their mates won't find themselves regularly in need of convenient charging facilities. Us mere taxpayers, on the other hand, will likely find ourselves scrabbling around trying to find communal charge points which a free and working when we actually need them. Will these be easy to find and cheap to use I wonder?...

Originally Posted by Paul M

Who is going to pay to rewire all our street lights ? and how will you be charged for using it ? or do you think councils will allow us to recharge for free ?

I am sure some enterprising people will see the chance for meet a commercial need. How did so much of the country get 3/4G so quickly?

Originally Posted by Paul M

Why would self driving cars reduce the number ?

Because it seems that the most logical way forward for self-driving cars will be as a taxi service. At the moment you drive you car, park it for x hours, then drive it again. So many cars spend the majority of their time idle. If that car was going around doing rides for many other people then you couldn't need so many cars or have them take up so much space. It would be far more cost effective.

A lot of the companies investing in self-driving cars are doing it for that. Uber's long term goal is to replace their human drivers with self-driving cars, the reason they're intentionally losing money to undercut other taxi services is to ensure they're dominate in the market when it happens. Google too have said this is their motivation for exploring self-driving cars. They've pointed how much land is wasted storing immobile cars.

You would 'call' a car via a smartphone/speaker/watch/whatever which will take you to the location before shooting off to do another job. It would be far cheaper than a normal taxi because you've cut out the human element and can do it at scale.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Taf

So, you have an electric car and a driveway or garage with a power socket so you can recharge the car when not in use.

But what if you don't have a driveway? What if you have to hunt around the area every time you want to park at a kerbside? Will the streets of the country be lined with charging sockets? Or will pavements be strewn with leads from kerbs to gardens or houses?

Inductive charging.


Cheers


Dave

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

I am sure some enterprising people will see the chance for meet a commercial need. How did so much of the country get 3/4G so quickly?



Because it seems that the most logical way forward for self-driving cars will be as a taxi service. At the moment you drive you car, park it for x hours, then drive it again. So many cars spend the majority of their time idle. If that car was going around doing rides for many other people then you couldn't need so many cars or have them take up so much space. It would be far more cost effective.

A lot of the companies investing in self-driving cars are doing it for that. Uber's long term goal is to replace their human drivers with self-driving cars, the reason they're intentionally losing money to undercut other taxi services is to ensure they're dominate in the market when it happens. Google too have said this is their motivation for exploring self-driving cars. They've pointed how much land is wasted storing immobile cars.

You would 'call' a car via a smartphone/speaker/watch/whatever which will take you to the location before shooting off to do another job. It would be far cheaper than a normal taxi because you've cut out the human element and can do it at scale.

Because that doesn't require every home to have a mast outside into which they can plug their phone maybe?

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Who is going to pay to rewire all our street lights ? and how will you be charged for using it ? or do you think councils will allow us to recharge for free ?

Credit card or maybe each car will have a chip identifier and you will get billed monthly? Like when you buy petrol or diesel...

Originally Posted by Damien

I am sure some enterprising people will see the chance for meet a commercial need. How did so much of the country get 3/4G so quickly?

Maybe because upgrading a few cell towers is not quite in the same league as upgrading every lamppost.

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Originally Posted by Kursk

Credit card or maybe each car will have a chip identifier and you will get billed monthly? Like when you buy petrol or diesel...

Who exactly gets billed monthly for petrol/deisel ? I have to pay on the day.

Its pretty easy to charge for petrol/deisel, since its at a garage, monitored, and machines (pump or till) connected to the banks. Again, not the same as every lamppost.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Maybe because upgrading a few cell towers is not quite in the same league as upgrading every lamppost.

it's not just lampposts it's the cable that feed them the substations that provide the power etc.. in short the whole infrastructure would need upgrading to cope with the extra load so digging up every street .

[Taf]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Inductive charging.


Cheers


Dave

We're talking many amperes per hour for cars, not milliamperes for phones. The magnet field would he lethal to anyone with a pacemaker. Hmmm and passing cyclists and prams would get dragged onto the road....

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Who exactly gets billed monthly for petrol/deisel ? I have to pay on the day.

Its pretty easy to charge for petrol/deisel, since its at a garage, monitored, and machines (pump or till) connected to the banks. Again, not the same as every lamppost.

You pay for petrol/diesel each month; the concept is the same.

Ford have been developing "wi fi" charging btw; apparently, induction charging as mentioned by Dave (GrimUpNorth) has been in use in S Korea for years.

It's the future.