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Old 13-09-2017, 16:25   #31
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Re: Brexit discussion

Why is it his duty to be positive? He's a reporter not a cheerleader. I imagine you could take a lot of topics and find that reporter sentiment is largely negative from the NHS to transport. Things make news when they're going wrong, not when everything is working smoothly, and for that matter the reporting can reflect the reality of the situation.

This is about trying to shut people up from criticising the government by pretending balanced coverage means 50% positive and 50% negative reporting.
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Why is it his duty to be positive? He's a reporter not a cheerleader. I imagine you could take a lot of topics and find that reporter sentiment is largely negative from the NHS to transport. Things make news when they're going wrong, not when everything is working smoothly, and for that matter the reporting can reflect the reality of the situation.

This is about trying to shut people up from criticising the government by pretending balanced coverage means 50% positive and 50% negative reporting.
A good reporter is totally neutral and doesn't allow his own POV to interfere.
Unfortunately they are few and far between from both sides of the argument/discussion.
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Old 13-09-2017, 17:13   #33
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A good reporter is totally neutral and doesn't allow his own POV to interfere.
Unfortunately they are few and far between from both sides of the argument/discussion.
Summed up perfectly.
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Why is it his duty to be positive? He's a reporter not a cheerleader. I imagine you could take a lot of topics and find that reporter sentiment is largely negative from the NHS to transport. Things make news when they're going wrong, not when everything is working smoothly, and for that matter the reporting can reflect the reality of the situation.

This is about trying to shut people up from criticising the government by pretending balanced coverage means 50% positive and 50% negative reporting.
Who said it was his duty to be positive? Being even slightly impartial, if only out of professional ethics, oughtn't to be too much to expect but that just an opinion Damien that's all. This is just an interesting discussion point, especially given the distinct impression of pro-EU media reporting bias many people have complained of and the denial thereof from remain supporters. Frankly I'd expect anyone to be able to concede that more than 2% of the Brexit outcome being positive but that's just silly me. I'd happily concede that Brexit, even the best outcome, is going to have significant downsides. How's any of this about shutting anyone up? They're going to continue doing what they've done and nobody's going to stop them are they. Pointing out the statistics about their Tweets, which is all this is, isn't going to make a jot of difference to them but I think a lot of people will be interested what they really think when judging their 'professional' commentary on these events.
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Old 13-09-2017, 17:55   #35
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Not very nice Michael, you've been reading too many tabloids again Tbh, I think he's right.

I was in Europe last week, there was almost pity for us, apart from the French who are glad to see the back of us ! The EU will lose and we'll lose, but they are in a much better position to recover by virtue of size. The signs are already there, the EU economy is storming ahead and ours is stagnating.
I've told you, I don't read any tabloids. And Juncker cannot be possibly right, I won't regret leaving.

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Re: Brexit discussion

And just in case anyone's in any doubt about Juncker's plans for the EU and where it's heading they include further expansion, moving towards compulsory membership of the Euro for all member states and an end to national vetoes.

https://order-order.com/2017/09/13/j...-its-own-army/
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Re: Brexit discussion

Where's Nick Clegg to tell us again that an EU army is a dangerous fantasy, everything Juncker said today shows exactly why brexit is happening and also shows the EU hasn't learnt a damn thing just gone back to their usual expantionist federal head in the sand approach.
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Re: Brexit discussion

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Why is it his duty to be positive? He's a reporter not a cheerleader. I imagine you could take a lot of topics and find that reporter sentiment is largely negative from the NHS to transport. Things make news when they're going wrong, not when everything is working smoothly, and for that matter the reporting can reflect the reality of the situation.

This is about trying to shut people up from criticising the government by pretending balanced coverage means 50% positive and 50% negative reporting.
Agreed. Surely reporters are there as checks and balances to keep Government in check. So they will be critical about things and seek out problems that the Government would prefer were avoided.
On Brexit, we know some of what we're losing but pretty little of what we're gaining. City AM, one of the many pro-Brexit media, made the point reluctantly in an editorial that it had not seen a business case for Brexit for the UK service industry. That sector makes up 80% of the UK's exports. If a pro-Brexit publication can be critical about the Government's efforts here, rest assured less biased ones will be even more critical.

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Where's Nick Clegg to tell us again that an EU army is a dangerous fantasy, everything Juncker said today shows exactly why brexit is happening and also shows the EU hasn't learnt a damn thing just gone back to their usual expantionist federal head in the sand approach.
The Clegg family are promoting Bloodwise at the moment due to their son's fight against cancer. I imagine an EU army is not at the forefront of their minds.
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Old 14-09-2017, 01:02   #39
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The Clegg family are promoting Bloodwise at the moment due to their son's fight against cancer. I imagine an EU army is not at the forefront of their minds.
Nick Clegg is quite rightly doing what any parent should do, putting his child first.

Doesn't change the fact that he is a liar though.
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Nick Clegg is quite rightly doing what any parent should do, putting his child first.

Doesn't change the fact that he is a liar though.
Are not most politicians liars?.
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Are not most politicians liars?.


No they are not liars, they just cannot tell the truth!
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Are not most politicians liars?.
No - some are, but tarring them all with the same brush is just like saying because some people on CF are obnoxious that means that most people in CF are obnoxious.
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No - some are, but tarring them all with the same brush is just like saying because some people on CF are obnoxious that means that most people in CF are obnoxious.
mmmm , well, no- must resist and say nothing

Most politicians lie to varying extents, they have to or the mugs wouldn't vote for them. Reporters would tear them to shreds if they honestly answered questions (e.g. what do you think of job your PM is doing ? ). Most try to not answer questions than outright lie, but don't always succeed. Our crappy media culture is partly to blame.
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No - some are, but tarring them all with the same brush is just like saying because some people on CF are obnoxious that means that most people in CF are obnoxious.
l never said all politicians are liars but a fair few many are and as for CF well most members are very nice apart from a few members.
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Re: Brexit discussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki_JNrgHvqk

Be good to hear some substantial comments on why Norgrove's fears are unfounded rather than the platitudes and insults we're currently getting from HMG.

Dan Hannan utterly failed to supply anything of substance yesterday in his debate with Ian Dunt on LBC. This is a guy who has had an awful lot of time to put flesh on the Brexit bones.

I'm very open to being convinced that EFTA/EEA isn't the best way forward for the UK. I'm yet to hear anything substantial to indicate otherwise.

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Actually let me ask peeps here - if we go WTO, which it looks like we will, the EU's tariffs kick in on our exports to them. What would people have us do in response?
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