The budget

[Sephiroth]

.. and when the government changes the taxation rules so that it hurts the easy targets instead of doing its job, you get nasties on this forum showing not a jot of sympathy.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

and when the government changes the taxation rules so that it hurts the easy targets instead of doing its job, you get nasties on this forum showing not a jot of sympathy.

I'd rather save my sympathy for those that deserve it, you know, like people who don't have one house to live in rather than those with a spare one sat there for emergency reminiscing

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I'd rather save my sympathy for those that deserve it, you know, like people who don't have one house to live in rather than those with a spare one sat there for emergency reminiscing

Utter nastiness. I just want the government to meet its promises, including building lots if houses.

[jfman]

I'm really unsure what is nasty about the whole thing. It's up to you if holding a second, broadly empty, property is a good use of your assets.

Local authorities will, rightly, consider it an ineffective use of resources since that's not someone living and spending in a local community.

[Sephiroth]

First, I should be the arbiter of how to use my assets

Second, we do spend in the community. We pay full rates, shop locally, use local builders & gardener.
Neither the state nor its local authorities should have been allowed to do this due to a failure to deliver public policy on house building.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

[First, I should be the arbiter of how to use my assets

A lovely, but flawed, sentiment. The Government intervenes in all kinds of ways in how people use their income and assets.

Second, we do spend in the community. We pay full rates, shop locally, use local builders & gardener.

One week in every six.

Neither the state nor its local authorities should have been allowed to do this due to a failure to deliver public policy on house building.

Of course it should, that's the point of the state - to address these issues.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

[COLOR="Blue"]Your rather cold-hearted approach to this situation is crueller than I’d have held you for.

The doubling of Council Tax is a disgusting raid on people’s in heritances because they failed to properly stimulate the housebuilding industry.

Your socialised services point is correct; we pay for those through the 100% Council Tax that we contribute without drawing on any of them except the very occasional bin collection.

I’m not asking for a second home exemption; the new tax should have had more flexibility to allow for the situation we face. As it stands, it is as cold hearted as you seem to be and an evidence of government failure to build more homes.

You seem to think you’re the only person who has ever had to wrestle with what to do with additional property. I’m not inexperienced in this area and if my attitude seems cruel to you, be assured I have been equally cruel to myself.

It’s not on for you to point the finger solely at the failure to build houses, real though that is, when we have a genuine problem in certain parts of the country with families who have lived in an area for generations and can no longer find anywhere to live thanks to holiday homes. Housing is first and foremost a requirement of human existence. Housing as leisure is a distant second. Housing as an investment should frankly be extremely tightly regulated as it is one area in which those who already have material means are demonstrably making life more difficult for those without.

If you have more than one house in your possession then you are one of the super-privileged few and frankly you should either pay a sum that recognises your privilege or sell to someone that actually needs it.

[Sephiroth]

Chris’ logic is clear From his perspective.

But so is mine. Up to now, we have been free as to how we use our property. Now, through policy failure, the government is hitting the easy targets. Then, all of a sudden, the Chrises, Daddies, jfmen etc are also for the hit on the easy targets.

They should take a look in the mirror and perhaps go on a Free Palestine march.

[jfman]

I can look myself in the mirror quite happily, I’ve discouraged everyone from voting Conservative my entire lifetime and the consequences of doing so are a country in decline.

This is the thin end of the wedge for what will be required to put the country on a level footing after decades of flawed economic policy.

And for what it’s worth Free Palestine!

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Chris’ logic is clear From his perspective.

But so is mine. Up to now, we have been free as to how we use our property. Now, through policy failure, the government is hitting the easy targets. Then, all of a sudden, the Chrises, Daddies, jfmen etc are also for the hit on the easy targets.

They should take a look in the mirror and perhaps go on a Free Palestine march.

You OK, hun?

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

[COLOR="Blue"]
Chris’ logic is clear From his perspective.

But so is mine. Up to now, we have been free as to how we use our property.

Nobody in any civilised society has ever had absolute freedom to use their property as they choose. Never, ever, ever. Humans living in community have obligations to one another. They recognised that even in Ancient Rome. The wingnuts on the libertarian fringe of right-wing politics have no excuse.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Can afford it ? Then pay it and hush

Can’t afford it ? Sell it and then perhaps see if there’s a ‘home bank’ in the area

You’re in a truly privileged position, stop complaining

You’re confusing nastiness with honesty.

Actually, why don’t you protest and not pay?

‘From your door mat to your duck pond’

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

My property, my decision on how to use it.

Then pay up and shut up, you come across as a real spoilt bratt atm.

[GrimUpNorth]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Chris’ logic is clear From his perspective.

But so is mine. Up to now, we have been free as to how we use our property. Now, through policy failure, the government is hitting the easy targets. Then, all of a sudden, the Chrises, Daddies, jfmen etc are also for the hit on the easy targets.

They should take a look in the mirror and perhaps go on a Free Palestine march.

Welcome to the wonderful world of a Conservative government, maybe you'll realise why many of us can't wait to see the back of them. Your lot have been picking on the easy targets for years. I can't recall you speaking out about the bedroom tax, but now you're being hit by a posh version it's a national outrage. Maybe you should look in the mirror and have a think about all the people this government have crushed without giving them a second thought.

End of the day you voted for them, and I bet you will again. Sorry but you'll get no sympathy from me.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

Welcome to the wonderful world of a Conservative government, maybe you'll realise why many of us can't wait to see the back of them. Your lot have been picking on the easy targets for years. I can't recall you speaking out about the bedroom tax, but now you're being hit by a posh version it's a national outrage. Maybe you should look in the mirror and have a think about all the people this government have crushed without giving them a second thought.

End of the day you voted for them, and I bet you will again. Sorry but you'll get no sympathy from me.

Try living under labour in Wales all are bad as each other , soon in Wales you will vote for a party not person says it all