Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Totally

What some angry people cannot differentiate between is the distinction in accepting the result of leaving and that of accepting that deal on how we leave is not a preordained Hard Brexit.

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I think this constant childish insulting should stop .. now.

- no more sniping comments aimed at people who voted Remain
- no more sniping comments aimed at people who voted Leave
- no more pejorative insults based on how someone voted
- agreement that both sides lied
- agreement that we have decided to Leave but not on how we Leave
- agreement that people have have valid alternate opinions
- and anything else i have missed

I'm in ..

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[ianch99]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

have you considered chamomile tea -its good at calming you down and may assist in bringing up that bile that's troubling you ,we put up with your way for over 40 years sit back and enjoy the next 40 and above all keep calm .

I guess you have sort of admitted that you did not accept the democratic vote and moreover, supported a campaign to overturn this democratic vote.

Something you have now determined is unacceptable .. do you not see the problem with this?

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

if you agree to pay £50 bn up front i may consider it

So that is Smurf for no then?

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdG57lgHFaA

I'd like to buy that man a drink

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I guess you have sort of admitted that you did not accept the democratic vote and moreover, supported a campaign to overturn this democratic vote.

Something you have now determined is unacceptable .. do you not see the problem with this?

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So that is Smurf for no then?

no one voted for what the EU turned into .do you not see the problem with this

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

I'd like to buy that man a drink

as would i .

[Osem]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

have you considered chamomile tea -its good at calming you down and may assist in bringing up that bile that's troubling you ,we put up with your way for over 40 years sit back and enjoy the next 40 and above all keep calm .

Some folks get a bit confused about a referendum on joining a small trading block and one about staying in what has long since morphed into a single state obsessed union of 28 disparate nations, nothing like the organisation we were asked if we wanted to join 40 over years ago. The FACT is that the usual suspects had no complaints about the process until their side lost and now they're just clutching at straws showing themselves to be the sort of people they've become used to deriding over the years. They like democracy when it yields what they want but aren't so keen when it bites them in the political bum. They have form too - remember those other referenda which yielded results they didn't like and needed to be overturned. That's the 'democracy' they prefer - the one in which they get their way.

After 40 years of experience at the hands of 'Europe' the UK voted to leave the EU - FACT!

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdG57lgHFaA

Just love that.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by ianch99

- agreement that we have decided to Leave but not on how we Leave

Sorry, No.


Taking back control of: Borders, Laws, Taxes and the ability to make our own trade deals with non EU countries, defines how we leave, and equates to a hard Brexit.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by passingbat

Sorry, No.


Taking back control of: Borders, Laws, Taxes and the ability to make our own trade deals with non EU countries, defines how we leave, and equates to a hard Brexit.

Yeah but we don't want to leave the EU...

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Osem

Some folks get a bit confused about a referendum on joining a small trading block and one about staying in what has long since morphed into a single state obsessed union of 28 disparate nations, nothing like the organisation we were asked if we wanted to join 40 over years ago. The FACT is that the usual suspects had no complaints about the process until their side lost and now they're just clutching at straws showing themselves to be the sort of people they've become used to deriding over the years. They like democracy when it yields what they want but aren't so keen when it bites them in the political bum. They have form too - remember those other referenda which yielded results they didn't like and needed to be overturned. That's the 'democracy' they prefer - the one in which they get their way.

After 40 years of experience at the hands of 'Europe' the UK voted to leave the EU - FACT!








Just love that.

You have made the same old point thousands of times as naseum. You need to move on as the rest of us have.

I guess you are not signing up to the new charter of openness and friendliness then

Cheer up, it's sunny outside ..

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Originally Posted by passingbat

Sorry, No.


Taking back control of: Borders, Laws, Taxes and the ability to make our own trade deals with non EU countries, defines how we leave, and equates to a hard Brexit.

Got to disagree

We could agree a deal where we allow the City to keep the passporting for a fix annual sum for example. We could agree a lot of things that are in the best interests of the country .. it's called negotiation and compromise.

Ianch the 1975 vote was purely for a trading bloc and if the political union that we ended up with had been on the vote we wouldn't have voted for it back then, it's the number 1 thing i constantly heard from people who voted in 75 including a few who voted to join the EEC.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

no one voted for what the EU turned into .do you not see the problem with this:shrug.

I did!

Originally Posted by papa smurf

as would i .

I've spent my beer money buying that leave-voting Spanish hairdresser a couple of San Miguels. Gina Miller is a good cause too but a bit out of my price bracket!

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I did!
got a time machine have you -how could you know what was coming and what it would turn out like ?

I've spent my beer money buying that leave-voting Spanish hairdresser a couple of San Miguels. Gina Miller is a good cause too but a bit out of my price bracket!

gina who

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I did!

I don't see how.

The question facing voters was, “Do you think the UK should stay in the European Community (Common Market)?” Britons were thus divided into Yes and No camps, as opposed to today’s ‘Leave’ and ‘Remain’.

Link

No mention of a Union there.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Ianch the 1975 vote was purely for a trading bloc and if the political union that we ended up with had been on the vote we wouldn't have voted for it back then, it's the number 1 thing i constantly heard from people who voted in 75 including a few who voted to join the EEC.

The fact-checkers disagree with your statement that it was just abouit trade.

Full Fact The European Community was presented as more than a trade agreement

During the 1975 campaign, membership of the European Community was presented by both the government and the Conservative opposition as relevant to peace, security, and both regional and international development, as well as to trade and economic cooperation.

In 1975 the government set out the aims of the European Community as bringing “together the peoples of Europe”, raising living standards and improving working conditions, promoting growth and boosting world trade. They also set out that the EC would “help the poorest regions of Europe and the rest of the world” and “help maintain peace and freedom”.

In their October 1974 manifesto, the Conservative party outlined the two key ideas behind the EEC as being to maintain security within Europe and to allow European influence in the world, and control over its own affairs, to grow in a world of polarised superpowers.

[Ramrod]

I thought that April fools day was yesterday, and yet:
Theresa May 'would go to war' to defend the sovereignty of Gibraltar
The UK could have no flights to and from Europe after Brexit, Ryanair warns

[denphone]

Good grief the Telegraph is becoming as bad as the Daily Fail with its cataclysmic headlines.