Football : Season 2013/14 & Summer Window

[Mr Pharmacist]

I bet Der Kaiser has a bit to say tonight.

[thenry]

Man Utd fans...

Jan Aage Fjortoft ‏@JanAageFjortoft
Dutch insider:

Is just a matter of days before van Gaal will be the new Manchester United -manager.

#MUFC
5:26 PM - 29 Apr 2014
https://twitter.com/JanAageFjortoft/...79848535584768

Jan Aage Fjortoft ‏@JanAageFjortoft
Dutch insider:

Sir Alex Ferguson talking to Toni Kroos'agent.

(Not the one next to him last game)
#MUFC
5:34 PM - 29 Apr 2014
https://twitter.com/JanAageFjortoft/...81741471117312

Jan Aage Fjortoft‏@JanAageFjortoft
Dutch insider:

Main- targets for van Gaal: Kevin Strootman, Roma and Toni Kroos, Bayern Munich.

#MUFC
5:34 PM - 29 Apr 2014
https://twitter.com/JanAageFjortoft/...81859301715968

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr Pharmacist

I bet Der Kaiser has a bit to say tonight.

Pep will probably get his P45 if the politics in the club gets its way.

[thenry]

OptaJoe ‏@OptaJoe
3 - Real Madrid have scored with all three of their shots on target in the first half; Bayern have had zero. Arrows.
8:43 PM - 29 Apr 2014
https://twitter.com/OptaJoe/status/461229377335091200

OptaJean‏@OptaJean
3 - @SergioRamos (2) and @Cristiano (1) have made 3 touches in Bayern’s box during the first 45 minutes : 3 goals. Perfect.
8:52 PM - 29 Apr 2014
https://twitter.com/OptaJean/status/461231565859979266

clinical!

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Originally Posted by colin25

Ok. I guess we will see. Please don't hold your breath for strong sanctions...

IF action is taken then I wont be surprised if Man Utds Chevy deal is brought to UEFAs attention

[iadom]

But United haven't made astronomical operating losses.

[thenry]

And that makes a difference how? The problem being addressed is bankrolling and Man Utd got bankrolled by the Chevy deal. GM sacked the guy who signed the deal.

[iadom]

I thought the FFP rulings were based on clubs not making excessive operating losses, not about bankrolling.

[thenry]

Yes but loopholes to artificially pump more money into clubs are to be closed. Work within your means.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mr Pharmacist

Which makes it pointless really. However large the fine is, it's not going to be a credible sanction when you consider the money most of the higher rated clubs have. Don't get me wrong Colin, I'm not saying I want you or PSG punished. I've always said that FFP is farcical simply because different countries have different revenue from the TV payments and completely different criteria for work permits, giving a big advantage. That's just two points before the lawyers get involved. To work every club has to be equal. It was a Platini plan to restrict certain clubs taking advantage of a rich benefactor, and to stop the challenges to the old guard of teams who have a divine right to win every year. Wonder what the odds on Bayern scoring 5 are?

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And Jupps Bayern were much better than Peps Bayern.

Yep jupp was treated pretty shabbily imo and that's exactly what it was about, protecting the existing cartel of top clubs so they don't start a super league

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Yep jupp was treated pretty shabbily imo and that's exactly what it was about, protecting the existing cartel of top clubs so they don't start a super league

The big clubs could still start a super league. I think it will happen eventually. They'll look at America and the success of the NFL and know that soccer is an even bigger cash cow around the world than American football and a franchise system across Europe means that not only is their asset more secure but also more valuable.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by thenry

Yes but loopholes to artificially pump more money into clubs are to be closed. Work within your means.

That might be true and even if the Chevy deal is a bit dodgy I can't see how United will be on the wrong side of the FFP as it stands. As I understanding it the rules are based around making huge losses with purchases of players and then covering them with cash the clubs didn't make from conventional business. United's Chevy deal doesn't seem to have been done that way although I'm pretty sure the rules will adapt in time.

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Originally Posted by Damien

The big clubs could still start a super league. I think it will happen eventually. They'll look at America and the success of the NFL and know that soccer is an even bigger cash cow around the world than American football and a franchise system across Europe means that not only is their asset more secure but also more valuable.

I think that's the crux of the matter. Whereas NFL is obviously huge over there and in fairness is pretty popular in other countries I get the impression the bosses are starting to realise football will always have more worldwide appeal and likely bring in more revenue. As much as I dislike and distrust him and his family, Malcolm Glazier made a shrewd move.

[thenry]

Originally Posted by Russ

That might be true and even if the Chevy deal is a bit dodgy I can't see how United will be on the wrong side of the FFP as it stands. As I understanding it the rules are based around making huge losses with purchases of players and then covering them with cash the clubs didn't make from conventional business. United's Chevy deal doesn't seem to have been done that way although I'm pretty sure the rules will adapt in time.

Whats conventional about sacking a man that signed a mega sponsorship deal?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by thenry

Whats conventional about sacking a man that signed a mega sponsorship deal?

Something not being conventional does not necessarily make it unconventional, but still I don't see how the deal will cause United to fall foul of the rules as they stand now.

[thenry]

Originally Posted by Russ

Something not being conventional does not necessarily make it unconventional, but still I don't see how the deal will cause United to fall foul of the rules as they stand now.

So fraud isn't necessarily unconventional?

The clue is in the name, financial fair play.

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Arsenal are the most successful team NEVER to win the Champions League

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http://www.cityam.com/article/139881...financial-fair

It would be illogical for Uefa to offer clubs the harshest measures as settlements – clubs would simply reject and take their chances that the Club Financial Control Body’s adjudicatory chamber, which rubber-stamps FFP decisions, would take a more lenient view. So the two toughest punishments – being stripped of European titles and being banned from the Champions League or Europa League – can probably be discounted.

CFCB should tell them to do one if argued against Thats hilarious. 'Its not fraud'.

But that still leaves the following possible sanctions as part of settlements: a limit on the size of the squad clubs may register for European competitions (it has been suggested that PSG’s settlement may include their Champions League squad being restricted to 20 players rather than the usual 25); a block on fielding new signings in European competition (weakening teams and also making them less attractive destinations for top players); and the deduction of points, for instance at next season’s Champions League group stage. These three punishments are among the middle range of nine possible sanctions listed in Uefa’s rulebook. It should also be noted that any settlements are likely to be predicated on clubs adhering to FFP rules, or perhaps even tougher limits, in future seasons. Failure to do so would carry the threat of tougher action.

That doesn't sound too bad.

Also, a club that feels it has missed out on European qualification (say Everton or Manchester United) because one of its rivals who broke FFP rules (say Manchester City) was not banned has the option of mounting a formal challenge and petitioning for a ban.

Oh great we're all going to have to hear Tottenham contesting everything whether its a PL team or not.

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Talking of Tottenham...

Michael Laudrup to Ajax if Frank de Boer leaves

http://m.telegraaf.nl/telesport/article/22566492/laudrup-kan-de-boer-opvolgen

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New manager for Barca...

Luis Enrique to replace Tata Martino

http://www.elsesports.cat/noticia/2383393/futbol/Luis-Enrique-es-lescollit-per-Zubizarreta-per-entrenar-el-Barca-la-proxima-temporada-segons-lEfectivament

Barca to buy Athletic Bilbao defender Laporte

http://www.mundodeportivo.com/201404...407397670.html

[Russ]

Originally Posted by thenry

So fraud isn't necessarily unconventional?

I'm not saying that at all, but we're only going on basic facts here.