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[gazzae]

Originally Posted by BBKing

Great buy for £4m quid or total and utter waste of oxygen? Given the number of penalties he gave away during Euro 2004 and his general shambolic performances I'd rather have a real plank of wood in my defence.

Wow so he had a bad tournament and the means hes crap?

Last season he and Rio were the best centre back pairing in the permiership until Rio got banned for forgetting to **** in his pot and brown was brought back to early and things fell apart.

The year before that when Man Utd won the title we conceded 34 goals, the least in the premier league, Arsenal conceded 42.

Originally Posted by BBKing

....possibly Howard, who isn't the best keeper in the Premiership

The PFA seem to think he is.

But you are right, Lehmann is a good keeper, the only thing suspect is his kicking sometimes, and he seems to be easy to provoke.

[BBKing]

If your defence fell apart when Rio wasn't in it and Silvestre was, yet was firm when both were in it, that would suggest that the firmness came from *Rio*, and Silvestre was as rubbish as the rest of them, rather in the same way that we can't keep a clean sheet without Campbell.

Silvestre is crap because he's crap - not that he's always been crap, he was quite good a few seasons ago, particularly going forward, but I can't put my finger on why he looks like Division 1 quality these days. Possibly the aging United midfield has something to do with it.

Incidentally, has any commentor been caught saying something along the lines of 'I expect Crystal Palace will drop into the Coca-Cola next May'? I'd pay good money to watch that.

The PFA seem to think he is.

So they did. Possibly having seven Arsenal players instead of just six would have looked like bias.

Lehmann isn't known as the Mad Monk for nothing, he's a nut, but most keepers are nuts. Very intelligent, articulate chap when you hear him interviewed, but still a nut. Presumably Howard's interviews have to be on after the watershed, poor chap.

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by BBKing

If your defence fell apart when Rio wasn't in it and Silvestre was, yet was firm when both were in it, that would suggest that the firmness came from *Rio*, and Silvestre was as rubbish as the rest of them, rather in the same way that we can't keep a clean sheet without Campbell.

Silvestre is crap because he's crap - not that he's always been crap, he was quite good a few seasons ago, particularly going forward, but I can't put my finger on why he looks like Division 1 quality these days. Possibly the aging United midfield has something to do with it.

Incidentally, has any commentor been caught saying something along the lines of 'I expect Crystal Palace will drop into the Coca-Cola next May'? I'd pay good money to watch that.

Er no, as if you would read what I wrote, I said the problem in our defence was caused by Brown being brought back too early from his injury and not being match fit. Once Wes was properly match fit you will have notice that our defence got a lot better towards the end of the season. But I suppose that was Wes carryng Silvestre eh?

[BBKing]

I just thought they were both laughably rubbish, to be honest. The fact that Silvestre carried on being rubbish even when put in a defence with the highly acceptable Gallas tends to support that argument.

Re: Howard, if he's so good why did Carroll replace him later in the season?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...td/3613339.stm

[Russ]

I don't know....these Arse supporters.....

[sherer]

Originally Posted by BBKing

I just thought they were both laughably rubbish, to be honest. The fact that Silvestre carried on being rubbish even when put in a defence with the highly acceptable Gallas tends to support that argument.

Re: Howard, if he's so good why did Carroll replace him later in the season?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...td/3613339.stm

Howard came straight from MLS into the Prem. As their season finishes as ours starts he had no break and needed a rest so Carroll came in. He did so well that it wasn't fair to bring back Howard.

Lehman was dodgy on Sunday for those goals and made a few mistakes in Europe as well last season.. plus nearly got sent off a few times

[gazzae]

OK so lets look at the stats..

2003/2004 season
Silvestre Goals conceded 29 Clean Sheets 11
Campbell Goals conceded 23 Clean Sheets 14

Ok so not much in that

2002/2003
Silvestre Goals Conceded 28 Clean Sheets 12
Campbell Goals Conceded 34 Clean Sheets 9

Oh wow look at that, a laughably rubbish defender out preforming one of the best defenders in england.

(Stats are available at http://www.premierleague.com)

Re: Howard, if he's so good why did Carroll replace him later in the season?

Because he was getting a lot of abuse from the press about his so called "mistake" against porto that Fergie gave him a rest. And if you remember back it was Howard who started the FA Cup final.


Ok so if our defensive is so bad, and Ferdinand is the only one who holds it together, you played us twice last year after Ferdinand was suspended, how come Arsenal, with their great attacking players, were unable to beat us?

[Russ]

Don't forget, you're trying to argue a good point with Arse supporters....so it'll never work

Next you'll have them believing they can win back-to-back titles...


I'll get me coat.....

[Marge]

Well some good news for the Utd folk, Brown should be back for the match tomorrow

[Atomic22]

brown is good when he plays debs but i think he is a bit of an anderton.....
i would offload him and buy ledley king....just the thing we need to get our trophy back this year

[Atomic22]

hmm just read in the sun about united offering 5m for figo......sounds interesting to say the least

[Julian]

More lookalikes -

[sherer]

was at the Palace v Chelsea game last night. Was one of the supporters who went away upset. For all of Chlesea's stars and the fact that one of their players cost more than our team I wasn't that impressed with their performance. I was expecting a 6-0 to them but was instead dissapointed to not get a draw or a 1-0 loss out of the game. Throught Drogba and Kezman weren't very good to be honest and the whole team didn't put in the performance to show the quality they have.

One thing did notice is that nearly every move Chelsea makes goes through Lampard. He really has come on as a player since joining them and you can see this when he plays for England as well.

[sherer]

Originally Posted by Debsy42

Well some good news for the Utd folk, Brown should be back for the match tomorrow

brown's another of these players like O'Shea. When they are on top of their game they are one of the best defenders in the league.. when they aren't they can be woefull.

Both of them could do no wrong when they first broke into the side and have then go downhill abit since then. Think if Brown can get a full a run in the team he can get back to where he was but when Rio comes back it will be him and Mickey at Centre Half and Brown will be on the bench.

Originally Posted by sherer

was at the Palace v Chelsea game last night. Was one of the supporters who went away upset. For all of Chlesea's stars and the fact that one of their players cost more than our team I wasn't that impressed with their performance. I was expecting a 6-0 to them but was instead dissapointed to not get a draw or a 1-0 loss out of the game. Throught Drogba and Kezman weren't very good to be honest and the whole team didn't put in the performance to show the quality they have.

One thing did notice is that nearly every move Chelsea makes goes through Lampard. He really has come on as a player since joining them and you can see this when he plays for England as well.

I love Palace, They are my secound team. I go to see them play a lot as my gran used to live in a street near the stadium. Couldnt belive they went up last season.

I thought you where a united supporter?