Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[papa smurf]

these stupid figures are the EU's attempt to influence the general election ,it shows there desperation and the fact we hold all the cards in this game .

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

We will be paying something after Brexit but not €100bn. That's the EU going in high and will be massively helpful for the UK negotiating team as there is wriggle room here. My guess - we will pay around €40bn. This will be classed as a victory for the UK, saving face in front of Murdoch, Dacre, etc.

Notably, nothing of substance has come from the UK team to date and I look forward to seeing what our official position will be. I would hope something will be in the Conservative manifesto but I suspect not, especially if it's a 'soft' approach. Also of note is that the only thing we have heard on the official government position is through the leak to FAZ which the government s not happy about but have not denied is a true picture apart from 'not recognising'.

I think you'll find everything's on hold until after the election. How can the UK team negotiate anything until they know which party is in power and what the elected PM puts forward.

Admittedly it may be a forgone conclusion that May will get in again but until it happens perhaps this may give you a clue.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

Exactly what they have done to Greece. The difference is, Greece is small and weak and desperate to stay in the Euro. They are supplicants. We are not. The EU will learn this sooner or later - sadly, they will probably learn it too late.

I really don't know why anyone would be surprised by this either. Throughout its history the EU has proved to be utterly intransigent and concerned only with achieving their ultimate aim of a single European state no matter what the cost. Compromise and pragmatism are anathema to the Eurocrats. Time and time again they have proved themselves to be unwilling to negotiate and yet the usual suspects here still trot out the same old pro-EU, anti-UK, claptrap, citing anything the PM does as inflammatory yet ignoring all the hostile messages emanating from Brussels. It's like they're unable to think for themselves anymore, so keen are they to cling onto what they presumably see as the EU security blanket. Of course they're not too keen to talk about what's being done to Greece, what that nice cosy EU security blanket feels like in Athens, who's really running the EU circus and just what lengths they'll go to in order to achieve their goal. They're used to having their own way and we're seeing it yet again, making up so called settlement figures out of nowhere which of course is they way they've run Europe's finances for years. The EU has proved itself to be uninterested in meaningful reform, unwilling to compromise and totally preoccupied with trying to make the UK pay as much as possible for having the audacity to decide its own future. If there is no deal at the end of all this the EU will be responsible for that not the UK.

[tweetiepooh]

If feelings in Greece are similar to Cyprus the only ones keen on the EU are the politicos who benefit (and maybe some big business types and the expats). The people are mostly against and would love to be more autonomous especially in currency.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

If feelings in Greece are similar to Cyprus the only ones keen on the EU are the politicos who benefit (and maybe some big business types and the expats). The people are mostly against and would love to be more autonomous especially in currency.

These feelings are growing throughout the EU, there's no disputing that. Even in France we have an anti-EU candidate in the run off for PM. If she wins the game is over and even if she doesn't, which is the most likely result, it's irrefutable evidence of how the mood is changing.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

these stupid figures are the EU's attempt to influence the general election ,it shows there desperation and the fact we hold all the cards in this game .

They hold 26 cards, we hold 1......

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

They hold 26 cards, we hold 1......

26 country's desperate for the crumbs from our table .

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by jonbxx

We will be paying something after Brexit but not €100bn. That's the EU going in high and will be massively helpful for the UK negotiating team as there is wriggle room here. My guess - we will pay around €40bn. This will be classed as a victory for the UK, saving face in front of Murdoch, Dacre, etc.

Notably, nothing of substance has come from the UK team to date and I look forward to seeing what our official position will be. I would hope something will be in the Conservative manifesto but I suspect not, especially if it's a 'soft' approach. Also of note is that the only thing we have heard on the official government position is through the leak to FAZ which the government s not happy about but have not denied is a true picture apart from 'not recognising'.

I think €40bn is closer to what the EU is actually aiming for, but they won't get it. Where is the deduction in their calculations for what we have put into the investment bank, for example?

As I said before, there are two sides to the balance sheet. We owe them, but they owe us.

[tweetiepooh]

Originally Posted by Mr K

They hold 26 cards, we hold 1......

No, it's 26 players with 1 card each. And some of them are using a different deck.

And even Mr Macon in France is saying the EU must reform or there could be a Frexit (SortieFr?)

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

26 country's desperate for the crumbs from our table .

Oh yes we've got loads of crumbs, £14 billion national deficit and the NHS is failing. £100billion more to pay out isn't really going to help. Guess who will pay at the end of the day???

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Oh yes we've got loads of crumbs, £14 billion national deficit and the NHS is failing. £100billion more to pay out isn't really going to help. Guess who will pay at the end of the day???

the term's gullible and fool come to mind

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Originally Posted by Mr K

They hold 26 cards, we hold 1......

can i just point out you omitted NHS from a post- not like you that.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

the term's gullible and fool come to mind

Don't be too hard on yourself Smurf, maybe we'll get another vote

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Don't be too hard on yourself Smurf, maybe we'll get another vote

you'll get the crumb's from under the table if the dog's don't beat you to them .

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

No, it's 26 players with 1 card each. And some of them are using a different deck.

I struggle with solitaire, this sounds way too complicated...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

No, it's 26 players with 1 card each. And some of them are using a different deck.

And even Mr Macon in France is saying the EU must reform or there could be a Frexit (SortieFr?)

I thought it was the EU27 and the UK. What happened to the 27th country? Was it Colonel Mustard with the lead piping in the conserv-a-tory?