Unstoppable migration?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by techguyone

Guess I'm not courteous then. I know how this works, I put up a link, then everyone goes and looks for some obscure topic somewhere to try and discredit the site. No thanks, you have the post - take it for what it is.

I liked it because it shoots down everyone bitching about how we have no compassion, we don't love the migrants (bless) & are offering no solution to the issue (problem)

Well there's one fair example of a solution which is more than I've seen anyone else do - including said bitchers.

Here's a solution I posted in September:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35798899-post627.html

It got no reaction from what I can remember ..

Originally Posted by techguyone

Here's an answer (but I bet some here don't like it)

The problem is, Europe has some recent, rather unfortunate experience around the use of concentration camps, which is what that post is advocating.

Even if the mere suggestion were not political arsenic, unless your massive, high-fenced, patrolled refugee ghetto is also going to be gifted a fully functioning economy, within which the inhabitants can find employment and a sense of self-worth, such an installation would fairly quickly become a place of rampant crime, mental and physical ill-health, repeated attempts at mass break-out, and the kinds of TV pictures none of us likes to see over our Christmas dinner.

It is a non-starter and will not happen, ever, under any circumstances.

[Osem]

Allowing large numbers of economic migrants to be held for long periods of time against their will is a recipe for disaster. We have to prevent as many of these people as possible from getting into Europe in the first place. The rules need to be tightened and the process of separating/removing the genuine from the illegal speeded up but it's going to be difficult to do any of this without resorting to the use of armed forces and the conjuring up of all sorts of unpleasant images. Germany has a particular problem with such images I'm sure and they're going to face very severe problems enforcing anything like an effective asylum policy without reminding people of Nazism. Maybe Merkel should have thought about that...

Until economic migrants start to believe it's not worth the cost/risk of heading to Europe they will continue to do so in ever increasing numbers. We need to start showing them that they can't effectively 'force' their way into the EU and hope to get away with it. The relevant international borders need to be strengthened and only those in the greatest need allowed in. Then something needs to be done about those who've been kept out and maybe that will have to involve taking them straight back from where they came when that is possible. We have to make that choice preferable to the alternative.

Nobody should be in any doubt that, even if the flow stopped tomorrow, there are huge challenges ahead in processing, dealing with, then trying to assimilate those who've already made it into Europe let alone the millions more who are and will be heading in this direction if we don't sort this out. Allowing this to go on will end in serious trouble I believe and quite probably a serious rise in the sort of extreme right wing political parties and policies we'd all hoped would be a thing of the past.

[techguyone]

You'd be surprised what can happen in time, desperate measures etc, still until then how about you put up a suggestion that: discourages non genuine refugees from coming, takes care of the ones already here, let's controlled immigration happen across all member states, oh and doesn't waste funds.

If only it were that easy...

[Osem]

Norway has adopted a novel approach to getting their message across and trying to stem the flow:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34813650

Clearly they can see the danger of what's being allowed to happen and realise they have to do something about it.

[Osem]

Some of us were saying this from day one...

Former French justice minister: Merkel 'error of judgement on migrants'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34841388

But in the media clamour to be seen to be 'welcoming' our voices weren't heard.

[Osem]

Thousands of people are stuck on Greece's border with Macedonia because they are being told that only those that can prove they are escaping war in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan can pass.

It means that migrants from Pakistan, Iran and Bangladesh have nowhere to go.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34901638

About time too. Perhaps if things had been made tougher years ago, many of the economic migrants wouldn't have made the journey. Ah well, I'm sure lessons will be learned...

[Taf]

It's alright, a very good false passport can easily be bought in Turkey, just don't open your mouth when they ask you to speak Arabic.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Taf

It's alright, a very good false passport can easily be bought in Turkey, just don't open your mouth when they ask you to speak Arabic.

That's a mere detail in the overall scheme of things to do with border security, illegal immigration etc. We all know the world is awash with false papers and people prepared to provide them. Maybe going back to basics and seeking evidence of such things as the ablity to speak/write the language concerned and using the evidence thereby derived would be a more effective measure but I dare say that'd impinge upon someone's human rights.

I saw a TV documentary the other day in which an illegal migrant from Pakistan was arrested by Border Control (bit of a misnomer that...) officers claimed to be from Bulgaria but when questioned couldn't speak a word of the language and knew virtually nothing about the country. It's widespread but nobody wants to admit it because to do so would only serve to illustrate the chaos.

[denphone]

Net migration to UK hits record 336,000, statistics show.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34931725

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by denphone

Net migration to UK hits record 336,000, statistics show.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34931725

Willing to bet that next year will be even higher

[denphone]

Yes one suspects it will be.

[Osem]

Don't worry though, it's all good news, there's clearly no adverse impact on schools, the NHS, roads, housing etc. etc. etc. whatsoever. In fact it's all so great for UK PLC that I wonder why we have controls at all. If we could only stop anyone leaving we'd be even better off...

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by denphone

Net migration to UK hits record 336,000, statistics show.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34931725

That figure tallies neatly with the new house building announcement...