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Old 13-08-2017, 11:07   #16
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Re: US: Violent clashes Charlottesville

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Anyone who likes to delude themselves that the left has a monopoly on violent protests, please avoid this thread!
Left or right they are as bad as each other as there are no excuses for it as all..
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Re: US: Violent clashes Charlottesville

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There is evidence that some of the leftist groups are being "handled" and funded by powerful figures. Since those leftists are being told through the controlled media that anyone right of centre is automatically a racist, it creates the perfect opportunity for underhanded actors to create a "Unite the Right" thing - so that they can paint everyone right-of-centre as extreme racist bigots and shut down everything to the right of the hard-left's viewpoint.

Why would they do this? So that those who control and manipulate dumb extreme left and right groups can deliver their version of order out of the ensuing chaos. Expect protests and gatherings to become illegal. The state will soon have the justification it needs to shut out anything except leftist thought, which itself is simply a tool employed deliberately to destabilize a nation.

I don't think this is just a few nutjobs on either side, I think the antifa groups are being paid in order to provoke a condemable reaction from the extreme right so that society can be remade in a different way.
If there is indeed evidence then I'm sure forum readers would like to see it.
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Old 13-08-2017, 11:13   #18
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Re: US: Violent clashes Charlottesville

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There is evidence that some of the leftist groups are being "handled" and funded by powerful figures. Since those leftists are being told through the controlled media that anyone right of centre is automatically a racist, it creates the perfect opportunity for underhanded actors to create a "Unite the Right" thing - so that they can paint everyone right-of-centre as extreme racist bigots and shut down everything to the right of the hard-left's viewpoint.

Why would they do this? To deliver their version of order out of the ensuing chaos. Expect protests and gatherings to become illegal. The state will soon have the justification it needs to shut out anything except leftist thought, which itself is simply a tool employed deliberately to destabilize a nation.

I don't think this is just a few nutjobs on either side, I think the antifa groups are being paid in order to provoke a condemable reaction from the extreme right so that society can be remade in a different way.

So the white nationalists were actors funded by the media??
Where did you copy and paste that from? It's too loony to be Breibart... I'm really hoping it's not from your own head.
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If there is indeed evidence then I'm sure forum readers would like to see it.
Sure, here you go:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/20/george-soros-democracy-alliance-anti-trump-activists-meeting/99417808/

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So the white nationalists were actors funded by the media??
Not funded by the media itself, but there will have been agent provocateurs delivered to the protest in order to engage in unacceptable behavior for the TV cameras. For every group of people at a march, normally some of the leading figures are working for the FBI, for example, as an "informant". This goes for both left and right. There is no "innocent" party involved here, but I very heavily doubt that every single one of the "right" there were actual, real-life, flag-carrying nazis. All too often, it's the state who go in there and kick things off.
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Re: US: Violent clashes Charlottesville

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Sure, here you go:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ting/99417808/

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Not funded by the media itself, but there will have been agent provocateurs delivered to the protest in order to engage in unacceptable behavior for the TV cameras. For every group of people at a march, normally some of the leading figures are working for the FBI, for example, as an "informant". This goes for both left and right. There is no "innocent" party involved here, but I very heavily doubt that every single one of the "right" there were actual, real-life, flag-carrying nazis. All too often, it's the state who go in there and kick things off.
Good God you really do means it ! I blame cable TV and the internet...

So the 'state' that are behind all this and 'kick it off' would be Donald Trump?
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Good God you really do means it ! I blame cable TV and the internet...

So the 'state' that are behind all this and 'kick it off' would be Donald Trump?
No, by the state, I mean the private companies and foreign individuals that financially own the US and most of the west. Trump is a small fish. One man is not all-powerful.

TV is very manipulated. It's no better here than it was over in the Soviet Union. Why would it be? What's "special" about the "west"? Nothing. Humans are human. They naturally group together and form hierarchy based on fear and opportunity. This is all human nature.
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Re: US: Violent clashes Charlottesville

Not to mention all those agent provocateurs who hang around forums and insert their own conspiracy theories..
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Re: US: Violent clashes Charlottesville

They have their own policies to blame for all of this, especially the Right to Assemble in the First Amendment:

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Freedom of assembly, sometimes used interchangeably with the freedom of association, is the individual right or ability of people to come together and collectively express, promote, pursue, and defend their ideas. The right to freedom of association is recognized as a human right, a political right and a civil liberty.
So one group should be allowed to assemble, etc. So have their opponents. No matter what they think of each other. Shouting down your opponents is denying them their rights, so the police should intervene.

I do not side with either of the groups.
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Re: US: Violent clashes Charlottesville

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They have their own policies to blame for all of this, especially the Right to Assemble in the First Amendment:



So one group should be allowed to assemble, etc. So have their opponents. No matter what they think of each other. Shouting down your opponents is denying them their rights, so the police should intervene.

I do not side with either of the groups.
Succinctly put.
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Re: US: Violent clashes Charlottesville

They've charged the guy who ran people over: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...otest-violence
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They've charged the guy who ran people over: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...otest-violence
Good and I hope they get him on terror charges.
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Re: US: Violent clashes Charlottesville

Whatever happens it's all Trump's fault. None of this happened during Obama's term and none would have happened had Clinton#2 been elected.

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Good and I hope they get him on terror charges.
Ted Cruz has called for a terror investigation.
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The woman who died is known as well: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-protest.html
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