Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

Originally Posted by Mr K

Everyday day and in every way, posts from die hard Brexiters become more desperate. Even they are now seeing the consequences for our economy, and are getting increasingly angry about it. However who can they blame ? the EU for forcing us to leave?

Me desperate? LMFAO.

I think for desperation, think you need a mirror.

The right outcome was made. We are leaving and I cannot wait when that day comes.

Still don't regret my vote. Let that sink in.

#StillNoRegrets

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Me desperate? LMFAO.

I think for desperation, think you need a mirror.

The right outcome was made. We are leaving and I cannot wait when that day comes.

Still don't regret my vote. Let that sink in.

#StillNoRegrets

As long as you have inner happiness Mick, that's the main thing
(money, jobs, the economy etc, are just material things after all)

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

First of all it was the Eurozone will fail in five years. People said that ten years ago. Then this year it was France and the Netherlands leaving.
Now that those two stable doors have been shut it's time to clutch at the straw in the stable and select an EU net recipient and Russia-fearing Poland as a likely country to leave. Won't happen. As I posted from City AM, Poland's agenda is to maximise the settlement from the UK not leave.

What a big pile of steaming nonsense. You weren't on here 10 years ago and I and others, never said such things back then.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

As long as you have inner happiness Mick, that's the main thing
(money, jobs, the economy etc, are just material things after all)

I will be even more happy when you're proven to be wrong, like you are on so many other vast subjects. But carry on with your cherry picking.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

As long as you have inner happiness Mick, that's the main thing
(money, jobs, the economy etc, are just material things after all)

As long as they have their chlorinated chicken to chew on, they''ll be happy. Things like having money to fund the NHS, electrifying the railway from Manchester to Newcastle and ensuring future generations have good jobs are just materialistic. #anypriceisworthpaying

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

As long as they have their chlorinated chicken to chew on, they''ll be happy. Things like having money to fund the NHS, electrifying the railway from Manchester to Newcastle and ensuring future generations have good jobs are just materialistic. #anypriceisworthpaying

The world is a much bigger place to do business with. Embrace the opportunities.

Also be realistic, the EU is failing. We are leaving the sinking corrupted mess of a ship.

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Morgan Stanley predicts

Morgan Stanley!
They can be ignored completely. They are Bilderberg members, wanting world government; Scare tactics only.

The FT can be put in the same category.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

The world is a much bigger place to do business with. Embrace the opportunities.

Also be realistic, the EU is failing. We are leaving the sinking corrupted mess of a ship.

The EU's not stopping us from embracing those opportunities. Quite the opposite. We're generally an outward-looking country so there's no areas in the world we aren't trying to sell to.
But losing access to the EU market would harm us as trade deals don't include services and 80% of our exports are services.
EU countries are out-performing the UK. That's hardly failing. The UK's Co-operative Bank was recently bailed out by private equity again and the UK's largest bank RBS remains state-owned and impossible to sell. Like other EU countries, we therefore have bank issues too.
It's easy to think when thumbing through our favourite tabloids that it's a bed of roses here and a bed of nails in Europe. The reality is we're not that much different at the moment but the declining pound is a real concern.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The EU's not stopping us from embracing those opportunities. Quite the opposite. We're generally an outward-looking country so there's no areas in the world we aren't trying to sell to.
But losing access to the EU market would harm us as trade deals don't include services and 80% of our exports are services.
EU countries are out-performing the UK. That's hardly failing. The UK's Co-operative Bank was recently bailed out by private equity again and the UK's largest bank RBS remains state-owned and impossible to sell. Like other EU countries, we therefore have bank issues too.
It's easy to think when thumbing through our favourite tabloids that it's a bed of roses here and a bed of nails in Europe. The reality is we're not that much different at the moment but the declining pound is a real concern.

Oh here we go with the stupid accusations of certain tabloid reading.

I don't read any FFS. I'm entitled to form my own opinion without any media influence. I'm not like you or others who follow every story so blindly, like lost sheep.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Oh here we go with the stupid accusations of certain tabloid reading.

I don't read any FFS. I'm entitled to form my own opinion without any media influence. I'm not like you or others who follow every story so blindly, like lost sheep.

The comments you refer to aren't a one-to-one email to you, they're forum posts.
But on a point of accuracy, you have linked to the Express before which would be hard to do without reading it.
You're not like me because you choose only to read a selection of stories that reinforce your views. When I have tried to draw your attention to other stories you have said you're not interested in reading them. I look at both sides and make up my mind and you'll see that some stories I post are EU critical like the recent City AM piece.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The comments you refer to aren't a one-to-one email to you, they're forum posts.
But on a point of accuracy, you have linked to the Express before which would be hard to do without reading it.
You're not like me because you choose only to read a selection of stories that reinforce your views. When I have tried to draw your attention to other stories you have said you're not interested in reading them. I look at both sides and make up my mind and you'll see that some stories I post are EU critical like the recent City AM piece.

Andrew, you're the biggest culprit for selecting stories that suit your anti-brexit agenda. More often than not you will link to the guardian.

And no I won't read scare monger BS stories, which is what half the time, you link to.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

Andrew, you're the biggest culprit for selecting stories that suit your anti-brexit agenda. More often than not you will link to the guardian.

And no I won't read scare monger BS stories, which is what half the time, you link to.

The most frequently-quoted website by me in this thread is actually FullFact.org.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mick

The world is a much bigger place to do business with. Embrace the opportunities.

Out of interest what business will we be doing that we're not doing now, what will we be selling the world that we're not selling now. I can see what the rest of the world is getting out of it re clorinated chicken and the like but what do we get out of it.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

Still don't regret my vote. Let that sink in.

'Let that sink in"? Don't be so pompous. No one really cares how you voted apart from you but you seem to think we all need to be told over and over again with some cool millennial hash tag (as if this it make it more worthy a statement)

What people care about is the future of this country and the wellbeing of their children who are being dragged out of a future they were more than happy with into one which holds, at best, a promise of uncertainly with all that comes with that, and at worse, a significantly poorer lifestyle.

Still, hey, it is not what the young think or want, it is the older generation that matters .. yes, the one that won't be around when this mess has played out.

Just put on those empire-tinted sunglasses on and dial the clock back to the 50's and repeat the Brexit creed: "worth the journey at any cost"

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Out of interest what business will we be doing that we're not doing now, what will we be selling the world that we're not selling now. I can see what the rest of the world is getting out of it re clorinated chicken and the like but what do we get out of it.

We won't be constricted by EU rules when it comes to trade with non-EU countries and tariff-free access to fast growing, protected markets of Asia, Africa and South America would be worthwhile.

As of right now, EU membership prevents us negotiating free trade deals and the EU has negotiated, so few deals for us, for example, none at all with the likes of China, India, Australia, Brazil. (And these are screaming to trade with us once we leave the EU).

As for the Single Market, every country has access to the Single Market, with or without tariffs.

If we left the EU with no trade deal, our exports would face EU tariffs averaging just 2.4%.

The other beauty is, we can retain free trade with the EU without paying our current entry fee which costs more than the tariffs we avoid. To put it another way, our net contribution to the EU budget is equivalent to a 7% tariff. Paying 7% to avoid 2.4% costs, is a total con!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

We won't be constricted by EU rules when it comes to trade with non-EU countries and tariff-free access to fast growing, protected markets of Asia, Africa and South America would be worthwhile.

As of right now, EU membership prevents us negotiating free trade deals and the EU has negotiated, so few deals for us, for example, none at all with the likes of China, India, Australia, Brazil. (And these are screaming to trade with us once we leave the EU).

As for the Single Market, every country has access to the Single Market, with or without tariffs.

If we left the EU with no trade deal, our exports would face EU tariffs averaging just 2.4%.

The other beauty is, we can retain free trade with the EU without paying our current entry fee which costs more than the tariffs we avoid. To put it another way, our net contribution to the EU budget is equivalent to a 7% tariff. Paying 7% to avoid 2.4% costs, is a total con!

The EU is the most successful negotiator of trade deals in the world so quite how we can do better on our own I'm not sure.
But the main issue for the UK is that we sell services (80% of our exports) and these tend to fall outside free trade deals. That's why UK banks are busy moving staff to the EU.
Where do you get your tariff calculations from Mick? The EU costs include regulation costs that need to be covered whether done locally in the UK or centrally as part of the EU.