U.S Election 2016

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

It was a good suggestion but liberals have their own agenda's.

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His EO went through the legality checks prior to it being actioned, so the need to keep him check twice over is needed because?

Hence, why he rightfully fired Obama's Acting Attorney General, Sally Yates, for publicly undermining The President.

It obviously didn't go through very good checks if it so easily overturned. Yes, you could take a paranoid track and assume the Judiciary, Border Control, Visa Administration, etc. personnel are all politically motivated or you could just take the view that this is just a bad piece of legislation rushed through in haste.

Originally Posted by Mick

It was a good suggestion but liberals have their own agenda's.

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His EO went through the legality checks prior to it being actioned, so the need to keep him check twice over is needed because?

Hence, why he rightfully fired Obama's Acting Attorney General, Sally Yates, for publicly undermining The President.

His EO may have gone through legality checks but only with the people who will agree with him ,he is surrounding himself with yes men and women fond of using 'alternative facts' .Trump needs to start using congress instead of these executive orders that the Republican party slammed Obama for using ,calling him Emperor Obama.

Plus he has had over a week to 'clarify' the mistake and hasn't.

Originally Posted by Damien

Plus he has had over a week to 'clarify' the mistake and hasn't.

What mistake ?

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Originally Posted by martyh

His EO may have gone through legality checks but only with the people who will agree with him ,he is surrounding himself with yes men and women fond of using 'alternative facts' .Trump needs to start using congress instead of these executive orders that the Republican party slammed Obama for using ,calling him Emperor Obama.

Actually he is not surrounding himself with yes people at all, you really do need to stop following the liberal media. Trump said he was for Torture, his defense secretary is against it, so Trump has accepted General Mattis view of it and left him with the decision not to use it. Does that look like a 'yes' person to you?

Alternative facts you mean of the 7 countries that were devised and deemed a threat by Obama Administration ?

Originally Posted by Mick

What mistake ?

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Actually he is not surrounding himself with yes people at all, you really do need to stop following the liberal media. Trump said he was for Torture, his defense secretary is against it, so Trump has accepted General Mattis view of it and left him with the decision not to use it. Does that look like a 'yes' person to you?

Alternative facts you mean of the 7 countries that were devised and deemed a threat by Obama Administration ?

I don't recall ever reading that Obama stopped letting people into the country, who had the necessary papers to be there??

Originally Posted by Mick

What mistake ?

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Actually he is not surrounding himself with yes people at all, you really do need to stop following the liberal media. Trump said he was for Torture, his defense secretary is against it, so Trump has accepted General Mattis view of it and left him with the decision not to use it. Does that look like a 'yes' person to you?

Alternative facts you mean of the 7 countries that were devised and deemed a threat by Obama Administration ?

Nobody has ever denied that the countries in question could be a threat to any countries security ,the big difference between Obamas policy and Trumps policy is Obamas was a measured reaction to increase security it wasn't an all out ban and deportation of Muslims.You really need to stop trying to defend Trumps Muslim ban by saying that Obama did it first because he did not ,that is called an 'alternative fact'

Originally Posted by Mick

What mistake ?

Having a order so badly drafted it included people with green cards and visas. Unless it was intentional that is.

Originally Posted by martyh

Nobody has ever denied that the countries in question could be a threat to any countries security ,the big difference between Obamas policy and Trumps policy is Obamas was a measured reaction to increase security it wasn't an all out ban and deportation of Muslims.You really need to stop trying to defend Trumps Muslim ban by saying that Obama did it first because he did not ,that is called an 'alternative fact'

I never said he did it, I just said it was Obama's list of 'At risk' countries. That's the difference.

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Originally Posted by Mr Banana

I don't recall ever reading that Obama stopped letting people into the country, who had the necessary papers to be there??

See above.

Originally Posted by Mick

I never said he did it, I just said it was Obama's list of 'At risk' countries. That's the difference.[COLOR="Silver"]

you've used the fact that Obama made the same countries have visas and some extra vetting to get into the country as a defence for Trump since the story broke ,your first post on the subject was a link that showing Obamas new legislation and then this from you ...........post 1817

I saw the story earlier today on the news. I refer you to my last post, whatever I/we agree/don't agree on is irrelevant, though I point out the massive hypocrisy, that there was already a 'Muslim ban' before this so called 'Muslim ban' before Trump became President and no-one bat an eyelid during or since it's inception.

Obamas legislation was completely different to Trumps ,the only similarity is that Trump used the same list of countries.

[Kursk]

Perhaps the EO is a message to all especially those who sit on the fence wherever they might be, that you are either with the US or against it and if you prefer to be non-committal about your intentions you may find you become collateral damage? The EO is temporary presumably so that sympathies can be established.

The President is acting on his word which is what his supporters, the majority of the electorate, expect and he is reaching them directly through twitter to be assured what he says isn't massaged before dissemination.

Originally Posted by Kursk

Perhaps the EO is a message to all especially those who sit on the fence wherever they might be, that you are either with the US or against it and if you prefer to be non-committal about your intentions you may find you become collateral damage? The EO is temporary presumably so that sympathies can be established.

In most democracies political dissent is not a test of loyalty to the country. That is quite fascist. It is perfectly normal to be against Trump's policy and not 'against the US'. I doubt even Trump is that mad.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Damien

In most democracies political dissent is not a test of loyalty to the country. That is quite fascist. It is perfectly normal to be against Trump's policy and not 'against the US'.

I agree with you but 'being against policy' has reached a new level. A march or peaceful protest is fine; gunning down citizens in the street is not. Inaction within the EU is showing us where this leads.

Originally Posted by Kursk

I agree with you but 'being against policy' has reached a new level. A march or peaceful protest is fine; gunning down citizens in the street is not. Inaction within the EU is showing us where this leads.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Damien

President Trump is a strong leader and inspirational.

Originally Posted by Kursk

President Trump is a strong leader and inspirational.

Really? I think he is a blundering, bullying idiot.