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Pretty sure Trump couldn't care less what anyone thinks and the majority of the US public don't either. While there might not have been attacks from anyone from those countries but more then a couple have training camps and they are not there training for debate with western liberals or to carry a piece of cardboard. We have become very soft in the west as a public and want a nice civilised resolution to problems which is all good and great unless your enemy is a barbaric piece of **** with no hesitation in what they do.
I am debating, whilst also passing opinion on the level of debate being offered.
You are ignoring the reality of what the ban is designed to do i.e. to keep America "safe" whilst ignoring that the Americans are far more at risk from their own home grown "terrorists" and nut jobs.
You are being disingenuous here: you try and defend the rationale of the ban whilst at the same ignoring the facts about who is actually killing Americans in real life.
That's fine: you can ignore the facts if you choose but please don't take the moral high ground.
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I did initially think trump was just a nutter, but fair play to the guy he seems to be sticking to his promises and wasnt scared to go against political correctness.
I particularly like how he has told companies if they move manufacturing out of the states, and import the goods to sell, then it will be taxed to make it a unprofitable practice.
You are ignoring the reality of what the ban is designed to do i.e. to keep America "safe" whilst ignoring that the Americans are far more at risk from their own home grown "terrorists" and nut jobs.
You are being disingenuous here: you try and defend the rationale of the ban whilst at the same ignoring the facts about who is actually killing Americans in real life.
That's fine: you can ignore the facts if you choose but please don't take the moral high ground.
You're being too simplistic.
If only it was as simple a judgement as you make out.
Do you know how many terrorist plots from those states have been thwarted in the last 10 years?
No, nor do I.
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All irrelevant reading unless you have an agenda, 7 Countries, listed as those at risk previously by Obama Administration (A point you keep conveniently ignoring, no surprise there.)
A point you keep ignoring is that Trump appears to be using his power to favour his business interests.Why didn't he extend the ban to include countries from more dangerous Muslim nations ? and if he had placed his companies in a blind trust like he was supposed to then he wouldn't be facing these accusations ,or at least he would have been able to justify his actions better.
Nothing surprising or outrageous. Staunch conservative as you would expect but a normal pick.
Be interesting to see what the Democrats do. They can't really block it other than use the filibuster but the GOP have said they'll change senate rules to ban the filibuster is they do. Since the Republicans are in the majority I suspect he'll pass.
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You are ignoring the reality of what the ban is designed to do i.e. to keep America "safe" whilst ignoring that the Americans are far more at risk from their own home grown "terrorists" and nut jobs.
So what?
He's tackling one problem at a time
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Well the "right to bear arms" in the 2nd amendment is qualified by being part of a regulated malitia. Most of the US ignores that clause. Maybe he'll drop it.
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After all the fuss about the launch and progress of the anti-Trump petition strangely there seems to be far less coverage of the more recent pro-Trump variant. I wonder why that is?
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So what?
He's tackling one problem at a time
Yep, as all his predecessors have found it's impossible to change the US's gun laws in any meaningful way but that's not an argument for doing nothing about the many other security related problems the US faces which he can do something about.
The real danger of terrorism isn't the one off grand attack, it's the creation of an environment in which radicals can spread their evil amongst the population. That's what happened here when we allowed the likes of Abu-Hamza to preach hatred on our streets for years and did nothing. The legacy of that we're going to be dealing with for decades to come and who knows how many lives have been or will be lost as a result of the seeds which were sown then but which were largely ignored at the time. We can argue about the efficacy of any chosen methods of dealing with these problems but there's no logical argument for doing nothing until the killings start because by then it's too damned late.
After all the fuss about the launch and progress of the anti-Trump petition strangely there seems to be far less coverage of the more recent pro-Trump variant. I wonder why that is?
I thought Theresa May at PMQ's today was the strongest I have ever seen her be. She was expected to be on the defensive but came out on the offensive to blithering idiot Corbyn:
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"He can lead a Protest, I am leading a Country."
About 1 Minute 14 Secs in, Corbyn's question and TM excellent come back.
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Someone needs to tell idiot Corbyn that while 1,8 Million people may have signed that petition in the UK, that amount of people does not represent the remaining 68 Million other people who haven't signed it and over 200,000 have now signed a petition wanting the State visit to remain, 200K is quite good to say it's not been linked to by the media like the Anti-Trump one was.
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