Bring Back Fox Hunting - Page 41

**Chris** · 31-12-2010, 16:58

You speak as if fox hunting is the sole example of animals suffering painful deaths for the sake of human comfort or expediency.

You have the right to trap or poison a mouse or a rat, do you not?

Digital Fanatic · 31-12-2010, 17:00

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You speak as if fox hunting is the sole example of animals suffering painful deaths for the sake of human comfort or expediency.

You have the right to trap or poison a mouse or a rat, do you not?

Doesn't mean I'm going to do it though.

Peter_ · 31-12-2010, 17:00

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Why does it have no place? Why is it sick? You make assertions but you offer no reason why anyone should agree with you.

The vast majority will agree with me that letting a pack of animals tear a creature to shreds is barbaric as are the rituals of blooding a new person in a hunt.

I think it is more a question of why would anyone agree with you a bloodsports supporter who thinks barbarism should have a face in a modern society.

Hunting animals for sport is sick and it sits with bear baiting, badger baiting and hare coursing as sick bloodsports.

**Chris** · 31-12-2010, 17:04

Masque, you are making assertions and backing them up with an appeal to popularity. That is not a logical argument. Having people agree with you does not make your argument correct.

Could you please define your use of the word 'barbaric' and explain how it is relevant in the context of fox hunting. Please also remember that repetition is no substitute for an argument.

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Doesn't mean I'm going to do it though.

What do you think of people who do it?

Sirius · 31-12-2010, 17:05

Having attended hunts in my younger days trying stop them and watched the barbarism of the hunt and the pure unadulterated pleasure that the huntsman get when they watch a fox get ripped limb from limb is something i personally never want to see again. The way they chant and scream is disgusting.

It was the Cheshire hunt i was trying to stop btw.

Digital Fanatic · 31-12-2010, 17:08

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Originally Posted by Chris

Masque, you are making assertions and backing them up with an appeal to popularity. That is not a logical argument. Having people agree with you does not make your argument correct.

Could you please define your use of the word 'barbaric' and explain how it is relevant in the context of fox hunting. Please also remember that repetition is no substitute for an argument.

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What do you think of people who do it?

I don't agree with it. Humane traps are available and should be used IMO.

**Chris** · 31-12-2010, 17:08

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Having attended hunts in my younger days trying stop them and watched the barbarism of the hunt and the pure unadulterated pleasure that the huntsman get when they watch a fox get ripped limb from limb is something i personally never want to see again. The way they chant and scream is disgusting.

It was the Cheshire hunt i was trying to stop btw.

Sirius, forgive me but if you attended the hunts with a view to stopping them, I think it's fair to say that any description you give of the events, and your feelings about them, are not those of an impartial observer.

Peter_ · 31-12-2010, 17:08

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Originally Posted by Chris

Masque, you are making assertions and backing them up with an appeal to popularity. That is not a logical argument. Having people agree with you does not make your argument correct.

Could you please define your use of the word 'barbaric' and explain how it is relevant in the context of fox hunting. Please also remember that repetition is no substitute for an argument.

So letting a pack of animals tear a tired scared animal to pieces for the gratification of a baying horde is not barbaric in your eyes then it saddens me to think that is your or anyone elses way of thinking.

Where is the fun and enjoyment in watching such a spectacle happen and I disbelieve anyone who says they only hunt for the thrill of the ride.

Can you explain how someone could actually enjoy watching such events take place and actually enjoy it.

**Chris** · 31-12-2010, 17:08

Masque, I've asked you to define what you think barbaric is ... but all you're doing is telling me you're sad that I don't seem to share your definition.

I would be very grateful if you could help move the discussion on a little. I totally get that you find words like 'baying hordes' and 'gratification' satisfying when describing what you see in fox hunting. You really don't need to keep repeating yourself. In any case, as I've already said, repetition is not a substitute for an argument.

Peter_ · 31-12-2010, 17:09

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Having attended hunts in my younger days trying stop them and watched the barbarism of the hunt and the pure unadulterated pleasure that the huntsman get when they watch a fox get ripped limb from limb is something i personally never want to see again. The way they chant and scream is disgusting.

It was the Cheshire hunt i was trying to stop btw.

Very much says it all.

Digital Fanatic · 31-12-2010, 17:10

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Very much says it all.

indeed

**Chris** · 31-12-2010, 17:13

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I don't agree with it. Humane traps are available and should be used IMO.

In which case I'm sorry to say but I believe you're living in some sort of fairy tale, rather than the real world.

Digital Fanatic · 31-12-2010, 17:15

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In which case I'm sorry to say but I believe you're living in some sort of fairy tale, rather than the real world.

Please explain? I'm firmly in the real world.

There is nothing wrong with compassion.

What's "fairy tale" about catching a mouse humanely and setting it free in a wild location?

Sirius · 31-12-2010, 17:16

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Sirius, forgive me but if you attended the hunts with a view to stopping them, I think it's fair to say that any description you give of the events, and your feelings about them, are not those of an impartial observer.

Agreed

I have always stated i am against them.

I have said before i attended them.

I even ended up in front of the beak after one of them because i retaliated after a bloke on a horse hit me with his crop therefor i tried to put it where the sun does not shine. Unfortunately he had witnesses who gave statements in his favour and i did not because no one was close enough to see what happened.

Would i do it again HELL yes

So NO i am not impartial but my side of this debate is still justified like any other.

31-12-2010, 17:18

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You speak as if fox hunting is the sole example of animals suffering painful deaths for the sake of human comfort or expediency.

You have the right to trap or poison a mouse or a rat, do you not?

yes we do ,we also have the right to trap and poison foxes ,we just can't hunt them ,torture them or treat them inhumanely ,incidently the same as with rats and mice.If this was all about fox/pest control then hunting wouldn't even be an issue, after all it is the most ineficient way to kill an animal and a most efficient way to injure people ,horses and dogs