Unstoppable migration? - Page 52

Arthurgray50@blu · 02-10-2015, 19:47

With David Cameron saying that we will take in 20 000 refugee's. I found it interesting to watch a News item in the London area.

Where they were asking the general public on there views. They spoke with a variety of nationals, some said yes, provided it didn't put a strain on services.

But they spoke with a gentleman who said exactly, what everyone else is saying
He firmly believes that 'he' should consider the people that are in this country first, before considering taking in others.

The UK is a small Island compared to the rest of the world. And yet, even Corbyn is saying that we should take in more.

There is only so many you can take in before this great Island says enough is enough

Gary L · 02-10-2015, 20:24

That's us. the little red right bottom half one.
a lot of people don't realise just how tiny and irrelevant we are in the world.

We're full to the brim. we're falling over each other as it is.
we haven't even got anywhere to park a car!

Ramrod · 02-10-2015, 22:05

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Hamburg has become the first German city to pass a law allowing the seizure of empty commercial properties in order to house migrants.

That's theft

Gary L · 02-10-2015, 22:17

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

That's theft

We could do similar.
anyone with too many bedrooms should be forced to let immigrants use it.
obviously if they pay tax on the extra bedroom/s at the moment then that should cease when the family moves in.

Chrysalis · 02-10-2015, 22:54

I wouldnt be against such a law used on 2nd+ homes that arent been used. Suddenly buying a house would no longer be a sure bet.

Arthurgray50@blu · 02-10-2015, 22:59

Gary, l totally disagree with you. I have an extra bedroom as my son moved out. There is no way that l would give to a refugee.

Why should we give up a spare room for refugee, when we have thousands of homeless on the streets of London.

EACH year at Xmas, empty buildings are open to care for the homeless over Xmas. These are the homeless of this country.

IF, this country can look after refugees then they can look after there own people as well. BUT THEY DONT.

Its appears that David Cameron is trying to show the side of goodwill, well he should show towards his own voters.

And the really funny thing is though. Bob Geldof said that refugee's can live in his London Flat. What about the Homeless that are just up the road

Go to Dover and see the refugees there.

Tezcatlipoca · 02-10-2015, 23:36

Would you let a homeless British person stay in your spare bedroom then, Arthur?

**Damien** · 03-10-2015, 08:40

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

I wouldnt be against such a law used on 2nd+ homes that arent been used. Suddenly buying a house would no longer be a sure bet.

I think for now it would be better to look at reclaiming land from developers after a certain period of time if they haven't used it which was one of Labour's ideas at the last election.

Osem · 03-10-2015, 11:01

I see the hordes are storming the tunnel again. I don't see why we should take anyone in Calais in let alone those who're already intent on abusing our laws before they've even got here. Until we send a message to those who try to gain entry into the UK in this manner, that they'll never be allowed to remain/acquire citizenship, they'll carry on doing so by ever more extreme means.

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Eurotunnel and Eurostar passenger and freight services have resumed with delays after 120 migrants broke into the Calais terminal overnight.

Trains were running through just one of the two tunnels between Folkestone and Calais after fences were breached.

Trains stopped from 23:30 BST on Friday after staff were shoved and stones thrown when an organised group of 200 migrants tried to enter the terminal.

Security staff were overwhelmed by the "number and aggression" of the group.

A Eurotunnel spokesman said: "Services were suspended because of the very large, determined and organised group of migrants who burst through the fence and made their way to the terminal."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34432386

I'm sorry but there's no need for these people to be camped out in squalor and risking their lives, they're doing it by choice because they perceive the UK to be a better bet than France. If that means loading old ladies and kids into leaky boats, setting off across the Channel and seeing them drown they'll do it because they believe that will give them the political and emotional leverage to circumvent the rules as is happening across the med.

Having gained entry effectively by intimidation, force and/or aggression, does anyone really think their behaviour will improve once they get here and decide there are other procedures, expectations, rules and laws they don't quite like?

Ramrod · 03-10-2015, 11:22

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Originally Posted by Osem

Having gained entry effectively by intimidation, force and/or aggression, does anyone really think their behaviour will improve once they get here and decide there are other procedures, expectations, rules and laws they don't quite like?

Well said

Osem · 03-10-2015, 11:31

Well it seems a fairly logical conclusion. They've stubbornly refused to conform with legal and other requirements to date and repeatedly broken the law with no real consequences. Unless they face real consequences why would they change their strategy?

Frankly I think letting people like this (and far worse quite probably) into the UK is madness and there's a steady flow doing just that every day of every week of every year while we make a big show about checking passports at our airports in the name of national security. It's utterly ridiculous.

OLD BOY · 03-10-2015, 14:09

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Originally Posted by Gary L

We could do similar.
anyone with too many bedrooms should be forced to let immigrants use it.
obviously if they pay tax on the extra bedroom/s at the moment then that should cease when the family moves in.

That's a Corbynistic type of solution if ever I heard one!

You got Arthur going, anyway!

mrmistoffelees · 05-10-2015, 10:21

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Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca

Would you let a homeless British person stay in your spare bedroom then, Arthur?

Whilst we're waiting for Arthurs response here is some light music

Osem · 05-10-2015, 14:13

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The number of people seeking asylum in Germany this year will be as high as 1.5 million - almost double the previous estimate, German media report.

The German government has not confirmed the new estimate, which comes from an internal official report cited by popular daily Bild.

The report warns that services helping refugees will not be able to cope.

Separately, a centre-right regional minister put the expected total at 1.2-1.5 million for this year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34442121

They'll also face a very considerable problem dealing with the hundreds of thousands of economic migrants not entitled to asylum, let alone removing them.

I was listening to a German MEP claiming that asylum claim rejection rates are very high in Germany so I think a lot of 'welcome' people aren't goint to feel quite so 'welcome'...

Good job it's all been so well thought through eh...

heero_yuy · 05-10-2015, 15:09

If they're at all concentrated it's going to feel like the country's been invaded. I wonder how the far right groups are going to respond? The last mass migration was after German unification but those migrants were essentially Germans already and not putting too fine a point: White Christians.

It does not bode well.