Unstoppable migration? - Page 12

nashville · 26-05-2015, 12:23

It will end up. More of them than there are of us, Britain will not belong to us any more

Gary L · 26-05-2015, 14:04

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Originally Posted by nashville

It will end up. More of them than there are of us, Britain will not belong to us any more

Cuz we're nice like that.
we like to be seen as nice.

here. have our country.

ianch99 · 26-05-2015, 14:25

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Originally Posted by Chris

In the last few weeks, Dave has faced a general election and increased his number of MPs by 23, gaining an overall majority in the process. So, no, whatever the level migration is currently at, he obviously doesn't have a credibility issue.

But look at the opposition he faced

The credibility issue I was referring to was his promise in 2010 which he failed for 5 years to deliver on.

Do you have no problem with this? Isn't this the type of thing which puts people off politicians?

If you can't deliver, don't promise it

**Chris** · 26-05-2015, 14:45

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Originally Posted by ianch99

But look at the opposition he faced

The credibility issue I was referring to was his promise in 2010 which he failed for 5 years to deliver on.

Do you have no problem with this? Isn't this the type of thing which puts people off politicians?

If you can't deliver, don't promise it

Now you're asking a different question. Do I have a problem with it? Yes. Does it therefore follow that David Cameron is not credible? No, obviously not. There is no necessary link between the two.

ianch99 · 26-05-2015, 16:49

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Now you're asking a different question. Do I have a problem with it? Yes. Does it therefore follow that David Cameron is not credible? No, obviously not. There is no necessary link between the two.

Interesting .. so if a politician promises to do something and then 5 years later, the opposite is true then his "quality of being trusted and believed in" is surely diminished, at least in this policy area? There is a very necessary link between promising something for 5 years and delivering the exact opposite of what was promised.

**Chris** · 26-05-2015, 17:22

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Interesting .. so if a politician promises to do something and then 5 years later, the opposite is true then his "quality of being trusted and believed in" is surely diminished, at least in this policy area? There is a very necessary link between promising something for 5 years and delivering the exact opposite of what was promised.

Now you're re-defining yourself.

"surely diminished, at least in this policy area" is much more specific, and IMO rather narrower, than "credibility issue" as you said earlier.

Arthurgray50@blu · 26-05-2015, 17:50

I know that people will say l am whinging about David Cameron - There is no chance of him or the coalition stopping Migration problems - Unless they close the gates. It will continue.

You only have to look at Tv Doc's and the way the migrants get across to these shores.

When l live in Hounslow, there is a Immigration Centre there. And its always a queue outside.

To Migrants, this country is a 'free' come in and bingo. And sad to say, this is happening each day. And this country, doesn't know where the migrants go.

We have to put in place the system they have in Australia

DC has no chance of stopping it

Russ · 26-05-2015, 19:50

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

There is no chance of him or the coalition stopping Migration problems

.....what coalition.....?

Osem · 26-05-2015, 20:14

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Originally Posted by Russ

.....what coalition.....?

I don't think Arthur's quite on top of recent events yet. Give him a few years however and he might catch up.

ianch99 · 26-05-2015, 20:14

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Originally Posted by Chris

Now you're re-defining yourself.

"surely diminished, at least in this policy area" is much more specific, and IMO rather narrower, than "credibility issue" as you said earlier.

It was obvious that I was talking about immigration policy. I even spelled it out:

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The credibility issue I was referring to was his promise in 2010 which he failed for 5 years to deliver on.

Osem · 26-05-2015, 20:17

If failing to deliver on 'promises' and honesty were any measure of anything meaningful in politics, Bliar would be in prison and not a multi-millionaire 'peace envoy' swanning around the world getting richer.

Sirius · 26-05-2015, 20:48

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.....what coalition.....?

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Originally Posted by Osem

I don't think Arthur's quite on top of recent events yet. Give him a few years however and he might catch up.

Just proves that Arthur never checks what he posts.

26-05-2015, 21:09

For the pool of highly skilled people the coalition has made recruiting very difficult. I do not expect a solo Tory government (under the UKIP pressure) will improve the situation.

We have jobs, that we are allowed to only hire British/EU people, that lived at least 3-4 years in the UK. And we cannot fill them with good people, we hire monkeys because they lived here for at least 3-4 years.

On the other hand, we have few jobs that we are allowed to hire from OS/EU without the residency restriction, he have top candidates, 100 applicants for 1 job.

Why can't they do that for all skills? EU allows them to put restrictions on football clubs that a certain number of footballers have be home grown? I would love the FA's ratio of homegrown/others.

Or do I miss something like the tampon tax (0% in Ireland but 5% in the UK and we are not allowed to reduce it!)

Arthurgray50@blu · 26-05-2015, 21:27

Sadly, l believe that most 'cheap' jobs will go to migrants, as the money they earn will probably be double as to what they will earn in there native country.

I believe that Migrants should only be allowed into this country - if they have a job and can prove it

If you watch Docs on Tv, on Immigration officers, if someone comes from abroad, and they say they are here to work - the officers check those details. If proved right they are allowed in on Visa's otherwise they are put on the first flight back home

This what should happen - IF THEY HAVE WORK, THEN FINE

**Hugh** · 26-05-2015, 21:40

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Originally Posted by Carlos Carboni

For the pool of highly skilled people the coalition has made recruiting very difficult. I do not expect a solo Tory government (under the UKIP pressure) will improve the situation.

We have jobs, that we are allowed to only hire British/EU people, that lived at least 3-4 years in the UK. And we cannot fill them with good people, we hire monkeys because they lived here for at least 3-4 years.

On the other hand, we have few jobs that we are allowed to hire from OS/EU without the residency restriction, he have top candidates, 100 applicants for 1 job.

Why can't they do that for all skills? EU allows them to put restrictions on football clubs that a certain number of footballers have be home grown? I would love the FA's ratio of homegrown/others.

Or do I miss something like the tampon tax (0% in Ireland but 5% in the UK and we are not allowed to reduce it!)

If there is a skill shortage, people from outside the EU can apply for a employer-sponsored Tier 2 Visa.

https://www.gov.uk/tier-2-general/overview