Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Anyway the EU has agreed a trade deal with Japan: http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-an...ade-agreement/

Taken 4 years and likely one or two more. Big deal seems to be EU access to food markets and a drop in tariffs on Japanese cars. But it's a reminder that there is no such thing as a single 'trade deal', it's a collection of regulations, laws and agreements bundled together.

One has to remember that the EU is a ramshackle alliance of 28, soon to be 27, nation states all with their own requirements on a trade deal and special interest groups to appease. That makes it take time. The UK is one state, a lot less complex.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

One has to remember that the EU is a ramshackle alliance of 28, soon to be 27, nation states all with their own requirements on a trade deal and special interest groups to appease. That makes it take time. The UK is one state, a lot less complex.

Correct. This would not be the case in a Federal Europe with one federal government, which although not wanted by the majority, would at least make Europe work more efficiently. Hell, even the Euro could be made to work in a United States of Europe.

Two examples of wrong decisions being made on setting up this whole convoluted structure which have condemned this monolithic bureaucracy to failure.

Implosion imminent.

[Pierre]

Read this:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...postcount=3924

Then this:

https://www.ft.com/content/56ad41e6-...4-0ac7eb84e5f1

As mentioned many times on here, London is a "Global" financial hub.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I've posted positive news in the past but a poll of people is neither good news nor bad news, it's a poll but people still feel that's negative.
My posts represent the situation at the moment. There is currently a story in The Standard at the moment blaming future train price hikes on Brexit. That's accurate of course but we all know that inflation has come from the Pound's post-Brexit vote devaluation so as it does not add to our learnings I've not posted it. If I wanted to make a point I would have done.

Not sure why you bother? Some people are happy to accept any consequence of Leaving so telling them what is likely to happen will just wind them up.

They really don't care if we are worse off. It is a religious thing ... look at the contempt & ridicule shown to someone who holds the opposite opinion.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Not sure why you bother? Some people are happy to accept any consequence of Leaving so telling them what is likely to happen will just wind them up.

They really don't care if we are worse off. It is a religious thing ... look at the contempt & ridicule shown to someone who holds the opposite opinion.

Can anyone else hear a violin playing?

[daveeb]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Not sure why you bother? Some people are happy to accept any consequence of Leaving so telling them what is likely to happen will just wind them up.

They really don't care if we are worse off. It is a religious thing ... look at the contempt & ridicule shown to someone who holds the opposite opinion.

Spot on mate, i'd save your breath though. Try a kipper forum, you might get a more reasoned response.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Can anyone else hear a violin playing?

I wish he'd tune it first!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Not sure why you bother? Some people are happy to accept any consequence of Leaving so telling them what is likely to happen will just wind them up.

They really don't care if we are worse off. It is a religious thing ... look at the contempt & ridicule shown to someone who holds the opposite opinion.

I just believe in democracy and freedom of expression and acknowledge that in politics, there's often never a right or wrong answer. I guess that makes me an old-fashioned liberal.
I've never been the greatest fan of the EU (but most of us in the UK haven't) but some of the inaccuracies peddled in the name of Brexit make Tony Blair look like a saint on steroids!
The truth of the matter is that there is a trade-off between control of your country and its prosperity. That's an uncomfortable truth for some but not all Brexiters. If you don't want to accept the rulings of global courts then that rules out WTO membership which is the North Korean situation.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Correct. This would not be the case in a Federal Europe with one federal government, which although not wanted by the majority, would at least make Europe work more efficiently. Hell, even the Euro could be made to work in a United States of Europe.

Two examples of wrong decisions being made on setting up this whole convoluted structure which have condemned this monolithic bureaucracy to failure.

Implosion imminent.

When is imminent? People here predicted its demise five years ago. Since then it's expanded and has just signed a trade deal with Japan.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Can anyone else hear a violin playing?

Contempt, ridicule or both

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Contempt, ridicule or both

Sympathy, as SS Ridiculous goes down. The band forlornly playing the same old tune

[denphone]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Not sure why you bother? Some people are happy to accept any consequence of Leaving so telling them what is likely to happen will just wind them up.

They really don't care if we are worse off. It is a religious thing ... look at the contempt & ridicule shown to someone who holds the opposite opinion.

Look Andrew Brexit is happening as yes l don't agree with it , never did!!!! but its happening end of as one has to accept it and all its consequences even though l believe it won't be the panacea to end many of our ills as yes some want their country back and some want to make their own decisions again so l can accept that even though l would not trust politicians in this country as far as l could throw them as many would steal from their own mother and stab their closest friends in the back before ever considering the putting this country first and the betterment of others first before their own selfish political ends.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Not sure why you bother? Some people are happy to accept any consequence of Leaving so telling them what is likely to happen will just wind them up.

They really don't care if we are worse off. It is a religious thing ... look at the contempt & ridicule shown to someone who holds the opposite opinion.

They don't show contempt and ridicule me as l have quite a few differing opinions so just laugh it off ianch and just keep posting what you believe in end of....

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Originally Posted by Kursk

Can anyone else hear a violin playing?

Yes your own as you need to tune it a little bit better...

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Originally Posted by pip08456

I wish he'd tune it first!

By heck another one that needs to play the violin properly.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Can anyone else hear a violin playing?

thought it was a harp- he's always harping on about remaining

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Contempt, ridicule or both

it's free take both

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by ianch99

Not sure why you bother? Some people are happy to accept any consequence of Leaving so telling them what is likely to happen will just wind them up.

They really don't care if we are worse off. It is a religious thing ... look at the contempt & ridicule shown to someone who holds the opposite opinion.

very true. I've noticed Brexiters becoming angrier as they realise the fate of the country, and that their families will be badly affected. People will never admit their mistakes, even if they know they're wrong, particularly on the interweb The EU isn't perfect, but the alternative is worse as we'll find out.

The only anger such as maybe is because some just will not accept the decision are happy to constantly talk down the UK and seize every negative article they can to push their own superiority of belief and some even claim they are being pro democracy it's very tiresome. Most leave voters were well aware of the possible consequences of leaving we couldn't really miss it as it was the complete focus of the remain campaign and at the end of the day decided it was a price worth paying to be out of the EU.

Actually if anything regarding the consequences MrK we are happier no world war 3 or emergency budget cutting everything to the bone. Yes the pound has devalued it had before while we were members of the EU and it will again in the future and would have if we'd stayed in the EU they are called currency speculators and they are going nowhere. Yet again not a word on the growing troubles within the EU the usual suspects just ignore all that and post a few more anti brexit articles it's not anger we have it's a growing sense of boredom and deja vu.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

very true. I've noticed Brexiters becoming angrier as they realise the fate of the country, and that their families will be badly affected. People will never admit their mistakes, even if they know they're wrong, particularly on the interweb The EU isn't perfect, but the alternative is worse as we'll find out.

we aren't angry we are just laughing at the remoaners and klingons getting all uppity co's they can't have their own way [ party on dude ]