Unstoppable migration?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Why are you ignoring the information I have presented in favour of commenting about the political bias of the news source and some comments from the Mail?

I am commenting on the veracity of the "news" source

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I am commenting on the veracity of the "news" source

Are you saying that the news source I linked to is, in this case, making the story up or some such?

[Osem]

I have no idea if it's true but, given the large numbers of migrants who've come here in the back of lorries over the years and the extreme lengths they're clearly prepared to go to, in Calais for example, why would such a scenario be deemed totally implausible?

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Are you saying that the news source I linked to is, in this case, making the story up or some such?

If people started posting articles from the Socialist Worker or videos from this guy then I imagine people would also be inclined not to trust it.

People do find it easier to just dismiss sources they don't trust. I would be surprised if you don't see something and distrust it from experience. I don't trust Michael Moore films as they have a frequent habit of misleading and I don't have the time to check each citation or fact to see if it's true. We all have to rely on trusting a source to an extent which is why we often dismiss sources we don't trust.

Might be better to link to the local paper they sourced the story from: http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/UPDAT...ail/story.html

or The Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rvices-M6.html

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Damien

If people started posting articles from the Socialist Worker or videos from this guy then I imagine people would also be inclined not to trust it

But my source wasn't in that league.

People do find it easier to just dismiss sources they don't trust.

I don't trust the Guardian but I don't dismiss it's news stories out of hand but that's what happened to my posted link.

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Originally Posted by Osem

I have no idea if it's true

It would appear that it is true.

[Osem]

Yes well that wouldn't surprise me at all but then I'm not in denial about the serious problems our porous borders and ridiculous immigration policy are causing us.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

manhunt of six Afghan illegal immigrants.......who shot at a farm worker in the West Midlands earlier this week has been called off after just 36 unsuccessful hours


Bloody Nora!

Our local forestry commission centre is having trouble with loads of migrants sleeping rough in barns and out buildings, it might be 'overlookable' if they didn't make such a mess and abuse the volunteers who are no offence little old ladies.

[figgyburn]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/10...by-polar-bear/

Pity the bear was caged.now that would have been a deterrent for future chancers.

[Osem]

Lots of casually dressed, smiley very middle-class Germans - some with children, others with dogs, chatting animatedly in beautiful parkland on the outskirts of Hamburg on a sunny Sunday afternoon.

But this was indeed a protest group, putting together a petition in an attempt to stop a new refugee centre being built on the green.

People here were keen to emphasise that they were not anti-immigrant. Their main aim, they said, was to protect an area of natural beauty. But once we got talking, broader worries soon surfaced.

Birgit said finding a home was difficult enough for Germans. Hamburg has an acute housing shortage at the best of times. With the arrival of tens of thousands of immigrants, the port city threatened to burst at the seams.

In desperation, the authorities have been turning shipping containers into refugee homes and repossessing empty commercial properties and open spaces to build new migrant centres.

"I don't think Angela Merkel has any idea what she started," Birgit concluded.

Hanno kept shaking his head when he said, "I just don't think Germany can integrate this number of people. It's a real worry. A real worry."

This was no demonstration of the minority anti-immigrant far right in Germany, so adept at grabbing headlines.

These were Angela Merkel's core voters: the comfortable middle classes. Now plagued by doubt and insecurity.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34535983

German newspapers are full of reports about the benefits refugees receive compared to German citizens on welfare, leading, in some quarters, to a sense of injustice.

There's also a more widespread worry about strains on the national health and education systems.

"Germany can't take everyone in," Mr Caffier told me. "Up till now we had no choice. Angela Merkel didn't open the door to the refugees. They were already at the door.

I thought that only happened in xenophobic Britain...

Anyway the flow hasn't ceased, the deaths are still occurring and the problems are being widely felt yet the media seems to have lost interest in all of that and moved on to the much more serious problem of carrier bags...

[heero_yuy]

AN Afghan migrant was shot dead last night trying to cross the border into Bulgaria from Turkey.

The man was gunned down near to the town of Sredets, the Bulgarian Interior Ministry said. He died on his way to hospital.

There were reports that a number of migrants had been shot at by border guards during the incident.

If it is confirmed border guards used live ammunition against migrants it would be the first such incident in the current crisis.

Link

Looks like the Bulgarians don't take prisoners.

[Osem]

I'm only surprised that this hasn't happened already but I don't suppose it'll be the last time either.

[figgyburn]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reu...tion-help.html

You have got to laugh at the European union "pillocks" latest idea to turkey to try to stem the flood of migrants through their country.Bribe them with cash and promise to speed up their application to join the European union.Just what the European union needs, another potential 78 million muslims free to"flee" to the west.Beggars belief.

[Osem]

Quid pro quo. Yes Turkish entry into the EU without serious reform of the free movement of people rules would make the current flow of migrants look like a trickle.

[Osem]

Migrants have begun arriving in Slovenia by bus from Croatia, after Hungary shut its border with Croatia to try to stem the numbers arriving en route to western Europe.

Hungary closed its frontier, reinforced with a razor-wire fence, at midnight local on Friday.

Many of the migrants aim to continue north to Austria and Germany.

Earlier EU leaders failed to agree a plan backed by Hungary to send a force to prevent migrants reaching Greece.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34559419

[Osem]

The number of people living in makeshift camps outside the French port of Calais has doubled to 6,000, a French government official has said.

Fabienne Buccio told Reuters news agency this was partly due to tighter security measures hindering migrants' efforts to cross the Channel.

The Pas-de-Calais department prefect warned other migrants to stay away.

Two migrants believed to be trying to reach the UK from Calais have been killed in the past week.

A total of 16 have been killed in or near the Channel Tunnel while trying to make the journey from France since June.

At the height of summer, the number of migrants living in the camps was about 3,000.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34562209

A leading candidate in Cologne's mayoral race has been stabbed in the neck by a man claiming to be angry over the country's refugee policies.

Henriette Reker - an independent candidate supported by Chancellor Angela Merkel's CDU party - was seriously injured along with an aide. Three others suffered minor injuries.

Local police said Ms Reker, 58, was "stable, but not out of the woods".

Police have arrested a 44-year-old German national and Cologne resident.

The attacker told police he stabbed Ms Reker "because of anti-foreigner motives," senior police investigator Norbert Wagner said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34561531

Another victim of the madness.