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Old 22-03-2017, 21:01   #31
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And the FN SLR used to upset IRA snipers who thought that ducking behind a brick wall was a safe zone...
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Old 22-03-2017, 21:08   #32
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Favourite reaction today is how normal the rest of London is acting. Rush hour was horrible so there was no change at all.
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Old 22-03-2017, 21:19   #33
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I suppose it depends on the gun there using, If its a HK then its 9mm which does not kill as easily as 5.56. 9mm is a handgun round where as 5.56 is used in assault rifles.
9mm is used in rifles as well, even though its technically a handgun round.
I can shoot 9mm at my local (25m) range, but not 5.56 as that's considered too powerful, have to go to the 50/100m range for that.
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Old 22-03-2017, 21:30   #34
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Channel 4 have made a big mistake. They named the attacker, led with it on the news, only for it turn out the person they named is still in prison!! They've retracted the report and pulled the repeat of the program but they've messed up big.
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Old 22-03-2017, 21:30   #35
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9mm is used in rifles as well, even though its technically a handgun round.
I can shoot 9mm at my local (25m) range, but not 5.56 as that's considered too powerful, have to go to the 50/100m range for that.
I have fired 9mm, 5.56 and 7.62. 7.62 was the most fun and made a hell of an impact at the other end but you had a brush on the shoulder if you fired a lot.
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AFAIK Police are trained to aim at the body mass. They don't decide whether to kill or wound; they shoot in order to stop a lethal threat to themselves and/or the public. Putting three bullets into someone will stop them. At that point the job's done. Whether they then live or die is, frankly, a secondary issue.
Is quite correct, all the armed officers I ever spoke to laughed at shoot to kill/wound. It's react to the threat and stop it.

I realise I'm probably going to get flack for this, but after watching the sobering events I found myself asking myself 'Just how do we deal with the terrorist issue?'

Military intervention isn't working

The intelligence services can only do so much as has just been shown by todays events. One day credible intelligence reports regarding laptops etc. The next the painful scenes from today.

It seems to be an unwinnable scenario with innocent people on both sides being killed, maimed or injured.


I honestly don't know
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Old 22-03-2017, 21:52   #37
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Channel 4 have made a big mistake. They named the attacker, led with it on the news, only for it turn out the person they named is still in prison!! They've retracted the report and pulled the repeat of the program but they've messed up big.
The Telegraph also seem to have pulled some of their earlier pictures from the site. Some of those armed officers clearly weren't Police and stuck out like a sore thumb. You can guess the rest
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Old 22-03-2017, 22:06   #38
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The Telegraph also seem to have pulled some of their earlier pictures from the site. Some of those armed officers clearly weren't Police and stuck out like a sore thumb. You can guess the rest
Actually, you might have to fill the rest in for me What were they? Army? Is that significant?
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Actually, you might have to fill the rest in for me What were they? Army? Is that significant?
Special forces who like to keep themselves to themselves maybe?
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Special forces who like to keep themselves to themselves maybe?
Still don't get it. Why would The Telegraph need to pull their reports? Wouldn't special forces be expected?
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Actually, you might have to fill the rest in for me What were they? Army? Is that significant?
I know it was a tad cryptic sorry.

Full face and upper torso picture of an officer in irregular garb holding a specific type of carbine rifle not generally issued to nor procured by any of the Home Office forces. You've therefore a choice of Marines, MOD plod, SAS or SBS. Take yer pick.

Not unusual they're there but not difficult to spot by the trained eye thus you wouldn't want to be publishing such photos on a national media site.
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Channel 4 have made a big mistake. They named the attacker, led with it on the news, only for it turn out the person they named is still in prison!! They've retracted the report and pulled the repeat of the program but they've messed up big.
I literally said a page ago that the non censored image would lead to false ID's. I expected that. Less so from an organized news team though. Absolute face roll moment.

As for the telegraph thing. There were evidently multiple military responders on site. Likely SAS.
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Still don't get it. Why would The Telegraph need to pull their reports? Wouldn't special forces be expected?
Well I didn't see what they've pulled. Maybe they were identifiable.

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Thanks to Uncle Peter for confirming.
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Old 22-03-2017, 22:32   #44
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I realise I'm probably going to get flack for this, but after watching the sobering events I found myself asking myself 'Just how do we deal with the terrorist issue?'

Military intervention isn't working

The intelligence services can only do so much as has just been shown by todays events. One day credible intelligence reports regarding laptops etc. The next the painful scenes from today.

It seems to be an unwinnable scenario with innocent people on both sides being killed, maimed or injured.


I honestly don't know
I don't think you can do something to 'solve' it. Only do things to try and reduce it and in fairness we seem to be doing that quite well. In the end what can anyone reasonably do against one man in a car with a knife? Not much. But then we can't do much about someone who wakes up to murder without terrorist intent either.

We let terrorism have an undue influence on us I think. Obviously, we need to continue to guard against it and it's not a normal crime but we can't revamp the entire way we live to address this specific threat. Statistically it's a minor cause of the death in the UK.

---------- Post added at 21:32 ---------- Previous post was at 21:31 ----------

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I know it was a tad cryptic sorry.

Full face and upper torso picture of an officer in irregular garb holding a specific type of carbine rifle not generally issued to nor procured by any of the Home Office forces. You've therefore a choice of Marines, MOD plod, SAS or SBS. Take yer pick.

Not unusual they're there but not difficult to spot by the trained eye thus you wouldn't want to be publishing such photos on a national media site.
Oh! Got ya. Cheers.
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Re: Terrorist Attack Near Parliament, London

Respect for MP Tobias Ellwood, who ran to help the fatally wounded PC, despite being told to run the other way.

I guess his military training kicked in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39359319
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