Hundreds attend protest after 3 cyclists killed on streets of London in under a week

Originally Posted by Kursk

My word how awful that must have been. I have a similar anecdote:

A young German cyclist was flattened by a lorry in London. She had open heart surgery at the scene. You drive a truck you have a duty of care imo. She was awarded on the spot death.

Did the lorry jump a red iight and then claim it was the girls fault?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Kursk

You drive a truck you have a duty of care imo.

Whereas if you ride a bike you have none, no responsibility whatsoever, people like myself are literally driving ourselves to an early grave trying not to hit them whilst they flit about without a care in the world. We've all got anecdotes such as yours so why won't the vast majority of cyclists take heed and moderate their behaviour

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Whereas if you ride a bike you have none, no responsibility whatsoever

The responsibility of a cyclist is one of staying alive in the chaos of motorised ineptitude.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

people like myself are literally driving ourselves to an early grave trying not to hit them

You seem ill-equipped to cope with the responsibility of driving. Get a job at B&Q for a calmer life at your age; the world is too hectic for you.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

We've all got anecdotes such as yours so why won't the vast majority of cyclists take heed and moderate their behaviour

The andecdotes of cycling deaths caused by poor drivers such as yourself will far outweigh those of cyclists causing the deaths of motorists.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

whilst they flit about

That which you describe as flitting is cyclists trying to make best use of a number of 'bolt-on' fixes in a transport system designed for motor vehicles.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Whereas if you ride a bike you have none, no responsibility whatsoever, people like myself are literally driving ourselves to an early grave trying not to hit them whilst they flit about without a care in the world. We've all got anecdotes such as yours so why won't the vast majority of cyclists take heed and moderate their behaviour

Because many of these cyclists are so arrogant and self important they think the roads are for them while car drivers who are fully qualified and licensed to be on the road are regarded as basic nobody's who are simply in the way of these unqualified and unlicensed cyclists and yet at the end of the day its the car driver who gets the blame for everything.

[techguyone]

You'll never convince bicyclists that they too have a duty of responsibility, they want it all one way only - all the rights and none of the responsibilities.

Makes me sick.

Oh I too am a bicyclist on occasion, and many many of them are pure scumbags, riding like its the tour de france, riding into pedestrians who dare to cross on crossings legally, the me me me only attitude.
, I'd make it mandatory to pass some sort of test and have 3rd party insurance too. I'd also make it compulsory for them to use cycle lanes where they exist.

So sick of these not using something that cost millions, eats into already sparse road space and then arrogantly say " you I'll ride where I like' freeloading ****. There's a reason these cycle ways exist, it's like pavements, its to separate different speeds of traffic.

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[Kursk]

Originally Posted by denphone

Because many of these cyclists are so arrogant and self important they think the roads are for them while car drivers who are fully qualified and licensed to be on the road are regarded as basic nobody's who are simply in the way of these unqualified and unlicensed cyclists and yet at the end of the day its the car driver who gets the blame for everything.

And breathe .

So, you're proposing that every child who has a bike should be qualified and licensed? Well that'll help with the child obesity and clean air problems .



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[tweetiepooh]

I have no problems with most cyclists, kids on bikes you are aware of, give them space as they really aren't (fully) aware of the danger even when they have taken proficiency training. Kids usually do take care and are mostly out during the daylight and don't ride on really busy roads.

Other commuter riders again usually take care and are responsible.

But (like with car/lorry/van) there are those who should know better but don't and in a match between bike and large metal box on wheels bike will lose. Like the idiot I nearly hit one night riding on a dark part of road at a roundabout wearing hi-vis black on black, black helmet, thin black bike with black lights and reflectors. He did have priority but that really wouldn't have helped if I hadn't seen him. "My right of way" famous last words.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Kursk

And breathe .

So, you're proposing that every child who has a bike should be qualified and licensed? Well that'll help with the child obesity and clean air problems .

As usual you try to obfuscate the thread with little relevance to what we are actually talking about as we ain't talking about children here but grown adults on the roads.

[Taf]

A new(ish) phenomenon has arrived in our city. Buses were being held up by slow moving traffic, so whole lanes were marked for bus use only. These "bus lanes" started to breed rapidly, allowing buses to whizz around much faster than the rest of the traffic. Then taxis were allowed to use them.

Then bicycles.

And it all went wrong.

Held up by slow-moving bicycles in their lanes, buses and taxis started to leave their sacred space and join the files of slow moving traffic. But now, of course, there were fewer lanes for all this traffic, so major jams developed.

The council reacted in many locations, by adding another lane.... the p̶s̶y̶c̶o̶p̶a̶t̶h̶ cycle path, between the kerb and the bus lane Some cyclists started to use them, whizzing around, often faster than the speed limit.

And then the carnage started.

People stepping off and on buses via the cycle path. Would the cyclists give way? Not often.

Originally Posted by Kursk

The responsibility of a cyclist is one of staying alive in the chaos of motorised ineptitude.


You seem ill-equipped to cope with the responsibility of driving. Get a job at B&Q for a calmer life at your age; the world is too hectic for you.



The andecdotes of cycling deaths caused by poor drivers such as yourself will far outweigh those of cyclists causing the deaths of motorists.


That which you describe as flitting is cyclists trying to make best use of a number of 'bolt-on' fixes in a transport system designed for motor vehicles.

I take it that you are an advocate of cyclists riding through red lights, seeing as you responded to my post with something not remotely similar?

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Like the idiot I nearly hit one night riding on a dark part of road at a roundabout wearing hi-vis black on black, black helmet, thin black bike with black lights and reflectors. He did have priority but that really wouldn't have helped if I hadn't seen him. "My right of way" famous last words.

So, let me get this right: a cyclist displaying lights and reflectors with right of way is an idiot because you didn't see him? Were you wearing hi-vis and a helmet at the time? The famous last words would be "you are guilty of manslaughter".

Originally Posted by denphone

As usual you try to obfuscate the thread with little relevance to what we are actually talking about as we ain't talking about children here but grown adults on the roads.

How is it obfuscation to discuss cyclists; that's what the thread is about? I know it would better serve your feeble argument to limit the discussion to the 'louts' but hey ho.

Originally Posted by Taf

A new(ish) phenomenon has arrived in our city. Buses were being held up by slow moving traffic, so whole lanes were marked for bus use only. These "bus lanes" started to breed rapidly, allowing buses to whizz around much faster than the rest of the traffic. Then taxis were allowed to use them.

Then bicycles.

And it all went wrong.

Held up by slow-moving bicycles in their lanes, buses and taxis started to leave their sacred space and join the files of slow moving traffic. But now, of course, there were fewer lanes for all this traffic, so major jams developed.

The council reacted in many locations, by adding another lane.... the p̶s̶y̶c̶o̶p̶a̶t̶h̶ cycle path, between the kerb and the bus lane Some cyclists started to use them, whizzing around, often faster than the speed limit.

And then the carnage started.

People stepping off and on buses via the cycle path. Would the cyclists give way? Not often.

'Bus lane' is a misnomer. These can be used by taxis, emergency vehicles, bicycles, motorcycles and buses. It is advisable to be observant when alighting any form of transport.

Originally Posted by Mr Banana

I take it that you are an advocate of cyclists riding through red lights, seeing as you responded to my post with something not remotely similar?

I did not respond to your latest post at all.

[weenie]

I think you get good and bad just as you get good and bad drivers. I don't usually say anything to cyclists however annoying they can be they deserve to use the road if they want but just last week at a set of traffic lights, I got out my car and asked one very kindly to stop using my car as a leaning post honestly that is what he did and I could not believe that he thought it was okay to stop along side the back of my car and put his hand on my car while waiting for the lights to change. I must say he was very polite and said sorry to me but then again I asked him nicely if he would be so kind and remove his hand from my car.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by weenie

I think you get good and bad just as you get good and bad drivers. I don't usually say anything to cyclists however annoying they can be they deserve to use the road if they want but just last week at a set of traffic lights, I got out my car and asked one very kindly to stop using my car as a leaning post honestly that is what he did honestly I could not believe that he thought it was okay to stop along side the back of my car and put his hand on my car while waiting for the lights to change. I must say he was very polite and said sorry to me but then again I asked him nicely if he would be so kind and remove his hand from my car.

He was wrong to lean on your property. Probably, he was 'clipped-in' to his pedals but that's no excuse. Good manners all round saved the day

Originally Posted by Kursk

So, let me get this right: a cyclist displaying lights and reflectors with right of way is an idiot because you didn't see him? Were you wearing hi-vis and a helmet at the time? The famous last words would be "you are guilty of manslaughter".



How is it obfuscation to discuss cyclists; that's what the thread is about? I know it would better serve your feeble argument to limit the discussion to the 'louts' but hey ho.



'Bus lane' is a misnomer. These can be used by taxis, emergency vehicles, bicycles, motorcycles and buses. It is advisable to be observant when alighting any form of transport.



My, one is in a little tizzy-wizzy today.



I did not respond to your latest post at all.

You responded to my post about being run into by a cyclist who ignored a red light by posting an anecdote about a German girl being run over by a lorry, which completely ignored the fact that the cyclist ignored the red light. Hence my question, do you think its ok for cyclists to jump red lights?

[Stephen]

I've been run into by more than one cyclist who thought that the red light didn't apply to him and seen many more skipping lights and nearly causing accidents. Some of them just don't.

One of the cyclists that ran into me while I was crossing even got off his bike and tried to punch me after I called him a few choice names but he seemed to think I was at fault.