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Old 06-02-2017, 11:39   #2596
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England captain resigns.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ricket-captain
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Shame, but doesn't sound as though he's up for it any longer.

Not sure about Root as captain (the heir apparent), bit too young. England have a habit of turning their best players into their worst by making them captain:- Botham, Pietersen, Flintoff etc. I'd give it to to Anderson but they don't seem to make bowlers captain these days.
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Shame, but doesn't sound as though he's up for it any longer.

Not sure about Root as captain (the heir apparent), bit too young. England have a habit of turning their best players into their worst by making them captain:- Botham, Pietersen, Flintoff etc. I'd give it to to Anderson but they don't seem to make bowlers captain these days.
Have you ever been captain Mr K ? as there is far more to it then you think there is and after a while it can take a fair toll on a person.

So with your wise unparalleled expert cricketing knowledge Mr K who would you suggest?.
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Umm, I just did suggest someone Den. And no, I've never been a captain, I'm too nice to dream of telling someone what to do, plus rubbish at cricket...
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Umm, I just did suggest someone Den. And no, I've never been a captain, I'm too nice to dream of telling someone what to do, plus rubbish at cricket...
Anderson great player that he was is sadly like me nearing the end so l am not sure its wise to appoint him as captain as we need to look to the future IMO Mr K.
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Shame, but doesn't sound as though he's up for it any longer.

Not sure about Root as captain (the heir apparent), bit too young. England have a habit of turning their best players into their worst by making them captain:- Botham, Pietersen, Flintoff etc. I'd give it to to Anderson but they don't seem to make bowlers captain these days.
I was thinking the same the other day, Atherton, Vaughan, strauss, hussain, Stewart all saw their averages fall whilst captain, I'd go for a bowler, broad maybe but I don't want root to go down that well trodden path
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I can't think of many 'front line bowlers' who have been good or great captains.

Illy was a good captain but you wouldn't call him a front line bowler.

The odd keeper/batsman has done well but in general all the best captains have been batsmen. Mind you, all the best or at least most successful captains have had very good to great teams behind them.

A captain who is a front line bowler may not take himself off at the right time for a start.

All of the above England captains you mention TD with the exception of Vaughan had pretty crap teams playing against some very good teams for most of their tenure.
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In fact only Vaughan has a really poor batting record after becoming captain, most only saw a very small drop in performance and two of them, Atherton included actually improved.
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In fact only Vaughan has a really poor batting record after becoming captain, most only saw a very small drop in performance and two of them, Atherton included actually improved.
Vaughan was the one it was really noticeable with, I remember a series around 2000 when it took him to the third test to get an average as he was just never out. Cook and strauss were never the same players after becoming captains imo, two of them improved, oh Gooch, I never included him as he was the exception to the rule and thrived on the captaincy and getting older. It'll be good to see how cook performs post captaincy and they haven't included alec Stewart in there graph either, it can't have done him much good especially when he was keeping wicket
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The top 17 listed here, all bar one a frontline batsman, and Dhoni was not a bowler either.

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The top 17 listed here, all bar one a frontline batsman, and Dhoni was not a bowler either.

http://www.fastcricket.com/answers/840/
Its defiantly a mentality thing, ponting struggled with it graham smith thrived on it
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And Smith was only 21 when he became captain but there was no doubting his mental strength from the off.
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And Smith was only 21 when he became captain but there was no doubting his mental strength from the off.
A great cricketer though he often clashed with KP and Strauss at times as they all shared very strong opinions.
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Windies v Pakistan ODI is on SKY Sports Mix this afternoon, for those too stingy to pay for Sky Sports
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My my such a barbed comment this early Mr K.
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