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Old 21-03-2017, 14:02   #631
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!

Article 50 does not allow for anything other then a hard exit it's just not possible and even if it were the EU is petrified that the UK won't be the last to leave so will be looking to be as harsh as possible in an attempt to scare other nations from doing it. That will fail already there are eastern european countries already fed up of the EU quite the turnaround in less then a decade and some are blatantly ignoring the rules in certain areas with no consequences from the EU. Very radical reform is needed if the EU is to have a future and it needs to abandon the federal superstate ideal that's driven most of the damage to the EU.
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!

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Article 50 does not allow for anything other then a hard exit it's just not possible and even if it were the EU is petrified that the UK won't be the last to leave so will be looking to be as harsh as possible in an attempt to scare other nations from doing it. That will fail already there are eastern european countries already fed up of the EU quite the turnaround in less then a decade and some are blatantly ignoring the rules in certain areas with no consequences from the EU. Very radical reform is needed if the EU is to have a future and it needs to abandon the federal superstate ideal that's driven most of the damage to the EU.
I agree with you 100% RK. The only form of "soft" Berxit I could see was something like a 5yr "transition" period which I was doubtful of anyway.

I stated way back in this thread "Hard" Brexit was the only option.
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Old 21-03-2017, 16:31   #633
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!

BBC accused of Brexit bias. (What a shock; I never would have guessed )


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2...-harm-britain/


Roll on the Grauniad readers...
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BBC accused of Brexit bias. (What a shock; I never would have guessed )


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2...-harm-britain/


Roll on the Grauniad readers...
It's not just in the Telegraph but quite a few.

It's not something we haven't known though.
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!

I loathe paying the licence fee and never watch or listen to anything bbc as it doesn't represent me or my beliefs beyond condemning them. Media bias was clearly evident on both sides and did nothing to help people on either side but the bbc loves to show the country as a mess.
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It's not just in the Telegraph but quite a few.
Yes, the Mail as well.
Politicians from all sides, as well as newspapers, have tried to bully the BBC over the years. They are there to tell it as it is, not the message the Govt. or anyone else wants. Do you trust Murdoch's Sky more?

This tweet from Nick Robinson (a Conservative activist in his youth) sums it up.
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Re: Brexit: Article 50 to be triggered 29th March!

The hard left Labour MPs, and all of the SNP, accuse it of bias well. Especially Laura Kussinburg, there was a petition to get her fired by left-wing activists IIRC. I think there might be a bias across a lot of media outlets for the status-quo, journalists attempt to fit what is happening into existing frameworks, but I don't think any of the television networks are that biased.

I think it's harder for news organizations though because people are becoming more partisan and there is less common ground from which to begin a discussion. When basic facts are disputed, the role of experts dismissed, and everything being a matter of opinion then that leaves no option but to be been by biased from one of the two sides. Corbyn loses a by-election and has historical low polling? Biased mainstream media narrative. Inflation increases as the pound falls in value? Liberal media undermining Brexit. They can't win.

People want their existing views confirmed and represented. Hence the popularity of hyperpartisan news sites which openly boast about addressing the perceived imbalance in the media, mocking 'the other side' for doing the same thing, and then printing nothing but stories which pander to their audience.

But Tory MPs are obviously going to say they're biased and there is a clear incentive to attempt to influence them to provide a positive spin on Brexit as we enter the Article 50 talks. At the leading broadcaster if they air a story about a negative consequence it could have an impact.

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