Football Season 2014/15 - Page 238

Russ · 13-06-2015, 19:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Perhaps if more Welsh people bought them they'd get more coverage that's the way to get a business to do what you want, they're interested in profit not pandering to some national insecurities. Are you really telling me that even based on rankings you believe Belgium are the second best team in the world?

If FIFA ranked England at number 2 I know for a fact you would not be complaining.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Would any one in England care, nope not one bit

I think we both know that's not even remotely true.

**Damien** · 13-06-2015, 19:59

I don't think many people take the FIFA rankings that seriously Russ.

TheDaddy · 13-06-2015, 20:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

If FIFA ranked England at number 2 I know for a fact you would not be complaining.

I'd be treating it like a joke just like when England were ranked 3rd

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/19177783

Quote:

I think we both know that's not even remotely true.

You think wrong then. Most English people couldn't care less what Wales do unless they're playing against us, it's only the insecure junior members of this Kingdom that are so pretty and small minded.

Russ · 14-06-2015, 14:25

Right. So you don't remember Swansea City being told to "get out of the Premier League because you're not English" and all that crap?

**Damien** · 14-06-2015, 14:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

Right. So you don't remember Swansea City being told to "get out of the Premier League because you're not English" and all that crap?

I don't think many people care if Cardiff and Swansea play in the Premier League. I remember years ago there was talk of allowing Rangers and Celtic into the Pyramid as well. I think those teams probably now wish they explored the idea with a lot more rigour at the time.

It is technically the English Premier League and if the other members of the United Kingdom wish to operate independently of each other, with separate federations, then you would assume they would also exist in different league structures as well. Wales indeed has this but these two teams are exempt? I don't understand the history of it. However given their size it makes perfect sense for them to play in the English football system and I expect most English football fans feel the same. I also would have wanted the bigger Scottish teams here as well. It strengthens the league to have a wider range of teams.

There is no real attempt to expel Swansea or Cardiff from the league. Speaking as someone from England I would say the rivalry is more focused on Scotland than Wales.

Russ · 14-06-2015, 15:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien

I don't think many people care if Cardiff and Swansea play in the Premier League. I remember years ago there was talk of allowing Rangers and Celtic into the Pyramid as well. I think those teams probably now wish they explored the idea with a lot more rigour at the time.

It is technically the English Premier League and if the other members of the United Kingdom wish to operate independently of each other, with separate federations, then you would assume they would also exist in different league structures as well. Wales indeed has this but these two teams are exempt? I don't understand the history of it. However given their size it makes perfect sense for them to play in the English football system and I expect most English football fans feel the same. I also would have wanted the bigger Scottish teams here as well. It strengthens the league to have a wider range of teams.

There is no real attempt to expel Swansea or Cardiff from the league. Speaking as someone from England I would say the rivalry is more focused on Scotland than Wales.

There has never been an actual attempt to expel them however as it's not something that would have affected you directly you wouldn't have been aware of the hostility and xenophobia aimed at Welsh team supporters. I remember when Swansea won promotion 4 years ago I tweeted about it and had a load of "keep the EPL English" abuse in return. Plus people refer to us as "junior members" of the UK.

thenry · 14-06-2015, 16:36

the numbers aren't big. those opposing segregation are probably busy doing something else, and there are a vast amount of those people who oppose it so you are only seeing those tweets from bored narrow-minded people or trolls.

I agree with Damien. Celtic, Rangers etc. should be part of the EPL. Kick the extremism out!

denphone · 14-06-2015, 17:44

Oh dear Hodgson the dunderhead is at it again.

DocDutch · 14-06-2015, 18:15

Den I swap you Hiddink for Hodgson.... hmm no dont want either of those really.

thenry · 14-06-2015, 18:16

with a spelling mistake too

denphone · 14-06-2015, 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by DocDutch

Den I swap you Hiddink for Hodgson.... hmm no dont want either of those really.

Sadly l don't think we can get someone of the ike of The Special one.

Arthurgray50@blu · 14-06-2015, 18:56

thenry, I have to disagree with you regarding Celtic and Rangers being part of the EPL.

My wifes family are mad on Celtic, but Hate Rangers. I firm.ly believe that if this ever happens, l can see lawsuits coming from every club in the EPL plus Football League.

Cardiff and Swansea got there on merit. You cannot expect Celtic and Rangers to just walk into the EPL, it wouldn't be fare.

Can you imagine was aggro there would be in the area's of EPL clubs if this happens.

Both clubs and there fans hate each other as it is.

Many years ago l went to an old firm game, and my brother in laws told me, don't talk or cheers if Rangers score.

So sorry guys, they bring trouble. (sorry to anyone in Scotland), but l can remember the London Cup, Celtic fans were a disgrace in there singing towards the English. I was there.

thenry · 14-06-2015, 19:07

I didn't mean they should be thrown straight into the EPL. Those teams wanting to reach the pinnacle of English football would of course have to get there on merit by climbing up the leagues.

Fans wise they need to wise up knowing limitations. Rivalry is fine, its part of the game.

What did you think of Jack Wilshere today

TheDaddy · 14-06-2015, 19:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

Right. So you don't remember Swansea City being told to "get out of the Premier League because you're not English" and all that crap?

No not really. The Welsh teams have paid there dues in the English leagues for over a century, only a moron would seriously say different.

---------- Post added at 19:53 ---------- Previous post was at 19:40 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

There has never been an actual attempt to expel them however as it's not something that would have affected you directly you wouldn't have been aware of the hostility and xenophobia aimed at Welsh team supporters. I remember when Swansea won promotion 4 years ago I tweeted about it and had a load of "keep the EPL English" abuse in return. Plus people refer to us as "junior members" of the UK.

So there's been no attempt to expel them, the biased media actually had the Welsh win as the top story on the national TV stations sports site, the claims that 'we'd' never stop going on about a high ranking were false as proven by the lack of going on about it when England were ranked 3rd. Is any thing you've said based in fact or is it just an anti English rant as usual, perhaps that's why you perceive xenophobia everywhere because you're pretty prejudiced yourself.

denphone · 17-06-2015, 08:26

They must be feeding them something not quite right down there at OT.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33155911