US: Violent clashes Charlottesville - Page 6

deadite66 · 15-08-2017, 20:24

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I really don't get why people are talking about other groups so much on this thread.

I don't get it why some people here won't condemn violent communists.

i condemn the white supremacists and the anarcho communists, will you do the same?

1andrew1 · 15-08-2017, 20:36

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Originally Posted by deadite66

i condemn the white supremacists and the anarcho communists, will you do the same?

Of course.

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Originally Posted by deadite66

I don't get it why some people here won't condemn violent communists.

I doubt you'll find anyone on here that won't condemn violent protesters left, right or centrist.
How this is relevant to white supremacist Nazism I'm not sure. This sits outside the usual left or white spectrums in my book.

deadite66 · 15-08-2017, 21:01

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Of course.

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I doubt you'll find anyone on here that won't condemn violent protesters left, right or centrist.
How this is relevant to white supremacist Nazism I'm not sure. This sits outside the usual left or white spectrums in my book.

Because they are feeding off each other and the media needs to call it out.
if they were left alone to march they would have looked like idiots, the counter protesters turned up knowing it would cause violence.
it ends up strengthening both sides who feel aggrieved.

**Hugh** · 15-08-2017, 21:44

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40943425

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US President Donald Trump has criticised both sides for the violent unrest in Charlottesville, Virginia, which left one protester dead and others injured.

There were "things that people don't know", he told reporters.

deadite66 · 15-08-2017, 22:02

good, needed to be said.
but i expect the left wing American media will attack him for it.

**Damien** · 15-08-2017, 22:21

Schwarzenegger has donated $100,000 dollars to an anti-hate group.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/esse...htmlstory.html

**Hugh** · 15-08-2017, 22:30

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40943425

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But at the bad-tempered press conference at Trump Tower on Tuesday, Mr Trump said that those defending the statue had also included "many fine people".

He asked whether statues of former presidents George Washington and Thomas Jefferson should also be torn down, because they had been slave-owners.

Mr Trump's remarks were welcomed by David Duke, a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, who tweeted: "Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville & condemn the leftist terrorists in BLM/Antifa."

Those "many fine people" were marching with actual Nazis.

Thomas Jefferson and George Washington weren't traitors to the United States, and didn't lead an army whose main reason was to support States who wanted to keep people as property.

Why do some people think statues commemorating those who killed fellow Americans so that others could own human beings are worth preserving?

Full transcript of the statement

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...nscript-241662

This seems an unusual thing to say...

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REPORTER: Senator McCain said that the alt-right is behind these attacks, and he linked that same group to those that perpetrated the attack in Charlottesville.

TRUMP: Well, I don't know. I can't tell you. I'm sure Senator McCain must know what he is talking about, but when you say the alt-right, define alt-right to me. You define it. Go ahead. Define it for me, come on, let's go.

REPORTER: Senator McCain defined them as the same group.

TRUMP: Okay, what about the alt-left that came charging at us – excuse me – what about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, the alt right? Do they have any semblance of guilt?

REPORTERS YELL INDISTINCTLY

TRUMP: What about this? What about the fact that they came charging – they came charging with clubs in their hands swinging clubs? Do they have any problem? I think they do.

Us?

Mr K · 15-08-2017, 22:54

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Originally Posted by deadite66

good, needed to be said.
but i expect the left wing American media will attack him for it.

See Trump's comments have been welcomed by the Ku Klux Klan, enough said really...

1andrew1 · 15-08-2017, 23:52

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Originally Posted by Mr K

See Trump's comments have been welcomed by the Ku Klux Klan, enough said really...

Trump seems to have gone from buffoon to what many feared - dangerous.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...nscript-241662

This seems an unusual thing to say...

Us?

The Politico website has now replaced "us" with "[indiscernible]"

**Damien** · 16-08-2017, 06:35

Illinois State Senate passes measure designating neo-Nazi groups as terrorists: http://fox2now.com/2017/08/15/illino...as-terrorists/

There will be more of this I think. In the UK we've been designating them as such as well.

The FBI have been warning of this for a while too: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/14/...ts-months-ago/

figgyburn · 16-08-2017, 08:34

Trump said a few home truths which the libtards just ignore.Washington and Jefferson owned slaves just like Rbt E Lee and Stonewall Jackson.Do they want to tear down their statues to totally cleanse the country of "everybody no matter what political/moral hue"who owned slaves?.Got to hold every one to the same standard haven't we?.The problem is we try to put today's so called today's loose morals(modern day slavery still exists and is flourishing especially Eastern Europe) and try to impose them on a society from 160 years ago.

TheDaddy · 16-08-2017, 08:34

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Originally Posted by Hugh

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40943425

Those "many fine people" were marching with actual Nazis.

Thomas Jefferson and George Washington weren't traitors to the United States, and didn't lead an army whose main reason was to support States who wanted to keep people as property.

Why do some people think statues commemorating those who killed fellow Americans so that others could own human beings are worth preserving?

Full transcript of the statement

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...nscript-241662

This seems an unusual thing to say...

Us?

Jefferson and Washington weren't traitors to the United States because no such place existed then, they were traitors to Britain and why was the statue put up in the first place, I doubt very much killing Americans was amongst the list of rationales

**Damien** · 16-08-2017, 08:45

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Originally Posted by figgyburn

Trump said a few home truths which the libtards just ignore.Washington and Jefferson owned slaves just like Rbt E Lee and Stonewall Jackson.Do they want to tear down their statues to totally cleanse the country of "everybody no matter what political/moral hue"who owned slaves?.Got to hold every one to the same standard haven't we?.The problem is we try to put today's so called today's loose morals(modern day slavery still exists and is flourishing especially Eastern Europe) and try to impose them on a society from 160 years ago.

They didn't fight a war to maintain slavery and they're celebrated for the founding of their country.

Mr K · 16-08-2017, 08:51

What worries me is not the number of extreme right wing nutters in the US, we always knew they existed, it's the number on this forum trying to even defend their actions and the Donald's words. If this is representative then I worry for this country too.

pip08456 · 16-08-2017, 10:44

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Originally Posted by deadite66

I don't get it why some people here won't condemn violent communists.

i condemn the white supremacists and the anarcho communists, will you do the same?

I will condemn anyone who resorts to violence to promote their views no matter what their political agenda and indeed those who oppose them.