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Old 16-08-2017, 13:51   #16
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Re: What an obnoxious piece of work.....

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Typical that the argument ends up on how something is spelt
Typical? The 'argument' has yet to be resolved in Court. It is perhaps 'typical' that this forum delivers its own verdict on the face of scant information.
And, at our age, we should be able to spell.
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Old 17-08-2017, 17:40   #17
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Typical that the argument ends up on how something is spelt
Blame it on the automatic spelling correctors!!
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Old 17-08-2017, 18:15   #18
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Re: What an obnoxious piece of work.....

He forgot the rule of pedestrians having right of way..Road or pavement. He should have been taking much more care just as any other vehicle should as well. There are too many unlicensed,uninsured motorised and pedal vehicles either on the roads or on the pavements. Even skateboarders and the new fad of scooters are a stupid danger because those using them seem to be blithely unaware of pedestrians on pavements.I'm getting fed up of having to walk in the road because of dratted mobility scooters side by side as well.
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Re: What an obnoxious piece of work.....

It's a few decades since I last cycled and then it was mostly country roads with little traffic of any sort.

From a Cyclist website.
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It all took place on Aldwych road. A pedestrian stepped out in Tiva’s path and did the classic “left-right-left-right-freeze” dance coming to a halt directly in the path of the bike. Tiva tried to slam on her brakes and in the process fell off the bike damaging her knee.
After lengthy conversations with the Traffic Criminal Justice unit, it became clear that even if the pedestrian had been tracked down, the case wouldn’t have been taken any further. In the words of one of the officers “Never in the history of London had a pedestrian been prosecuted for being at fault”.
In a cyclist-pedestrian incident who gets injured/killed is more a matter of chance than anything else. In this case, even with brakes he could just as easily have been killed, ie BOTH their heads collided, and yet there is no way she would have been prosecuted.

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He forgot the rule of pedestrians having right of way..Road or pavement. He should have been taking much more care just as any other vehicle should as well. There are too many unlicensed,uninsured motorised and pedal vehicles either on the roads or on the pavements. Even skateboarders and the new fad of scooters are a stupid danger because those using them seem to be blithely unaware of pedestrians on pavements.I'm getting fed up of having to walk in the road because of dratted mobility scooters side by side as well.
If pedestrians had right of way, why is there a road sign near where I used to live saying "Cyclists give way to pedestrians". If there was an automatic right of way, why the need for the sign. You can be sure that if there was a right of way they would be constantly using it.

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The Green Cross Code. The advice given below on crossing the road is for all pedestrians.

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A First find a safe place to cross and where there is space to reach the pavement on the other side. Where there is a crossing nearby, use it.
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B Stop just before you get to the kerb, where you can see if anything is coming. Do not get too close to the traffic. If there’s no pavement, keep back from the edge of the road but make sure you can still see approaching traffic.
C Look all around for traffic and listen. Traffic could come from any direction. Listen as well, because you can sometimes hear traffic before you see it.
D If traffic is coming, let it pass. Look all around again and listen. Do not cross until there is a safe gap in the traffic and you are certain that there is plenty of time. Remember, even if traffic is a long way off, it may be approaching very quickly.
E When it is safe, go straight across the road – do not run. Keep looking and listening for traffic while you cross, in case there is any traffic you did not see, or in case other traffic appears suddenly. Look out for cyclists and motorcyclists travelling between lanes of traffic. Do not walk diagonally across the road.
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Old 17-08-2017, 20:54   #20
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Re: What an obnoxious piece of work.....

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It's a few decades since I last cycled and then it was mostly country roads with little traffic of any sort.

From a Cyclist website.
What happens if you have a collision with a pedestrian

In a cyclist-pedestrian incident who gets injured/killed is more a matter of chance than anything else. In this case, even with brakes he could just as easily have been killed, ie BOTH their heads collided, and yet there is no way she would have been prosecuted.

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If pedestrians had right of way, why is there a road sign near where I used to live saying "Cyclists give way to pedestrians". If there was an automatic right of way, why the need for the sign. You can be sure that if there was a right of way they would be constantly using it.
As a reminder. However as most cyclists ignore foot high no cycling signs written on pavements and promenades as well as on signs around here I guess it's a waste of time and paint.
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Re: What an obnoxious piece of work.....

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As a reminder. However as most cyclists ignore foot high no cycling signs written on pavements and promenades as well as on signs around here I guess it's a waste of time and paint.
Add to that list red lights, i see it every day in Manchester city centre. I never see a cyclist stopped at a red light they just carry on straight through. Bet they would complain bitterly if they get knocked over going through the junction when they are on red.
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As a reminder. However as most cyclists ignore foot high no cycling signs written on pavements and promenades as well as on signs around here I guess it's a waste of time and paint.
It's at a junction where there is no left-turn for cars etc but there is a mini-cycle path for cyclists to turn left. Pedestrians are likely to cross in front of them as the crossing lights for the pedestrians will be green. The central point being that pedestrians do not have an automatic right-of-way on the roads.
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It's at a junction where there is no left-turn for cars etc but there is a mini-cycle path for cyclists to turn left. Pedestrians are likely to cross in front of them as the crossing lights for the pedestrians will be green. The central point being that pedestrians do not have an automatic right-of-way on the roads.
Wasn't there something about the most vulnerable always having least liability like when a car and a cycle have an accident the car is always held accountable
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What happens when it's a cyclist vs a motorcyclist? Who has the higher victim-points status? I would guess the cyclist - but then motorcyclists are always in the right [sic] - so it could be a tough one!
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I'm getting fed up of having to walk in the road because of dratted mobility scooters side by side as well.
I think you may be commenting without due care and attention there Maggy. I know if I'd said that there'd be at least half a dozen members at my throat.
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I think you may be commenting without due care and attention there Maggy. I know if I'd said that there'd be at least half a dozen members at my throat.
l am not at your throat me dear as l actually agree with the said sentiments by Maggy.
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I think you may be commenting without due care and attention there Maggy. I know if I'd said that there'd be at least half a dozen members at my throat.
I'm a grey haired OAP and I get no respect from anyone. If I had a pound for every time I get to walk in the road because of cars parked on the pavement,cyclists on the pavement,young buggy pushing women walking two or three abreast as well as the local hells angel mobility scooter chapter out and about I'd have a very nice nest egg.
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Agreed Maggy mobility scooters are a total pain and quite often where i live the people on them manage to jump off them and walk a lot better then me but since our town introduced a rental scheme a lot less genuinely needy people are using them. Seems a part of our societies progress has led to less polite behaviour in general if i had a quid for everytime i get weird looks off young women when i open or hold open a door I'd also have a tidy sum, not all progress is good.
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I'm a grey haired OAP and I get no respect from anyone. If I had a pound for every time I get to walk in the road because of cars parked on the pavement,cyclists on the pavement,young buggy pushing women walking two or three abreast as well as the local hells angel mobility scooter chapter out and about I'd have a very nice nest egg.
On a more positive note, your nest egg is your pension. A 'benefit' being most unfairly delayed for many women born in the late 1950/early 60's.
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On a more positive note, your nest egg is your pension. A 'benefit' being most unfairly delayed for many women born in the late 1950/early 60's.
Yes l know several women who had planned to retire at 60 and made their future retirement plans accordingly only to be suddenly told that they have got to work another 6 years.
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