The Chronicles of Rishi

[1andrew1]

Just read that Braverman's article in The Times was not run past No 10. Wonder what Sunak might do?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Just read that Braverman's article in The Times was not run past No 10. Wonder what Sunak might do?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67368785

The article was not cleared by Downing Street and suggested changes to the text were not followed, No 10 said...

… The ministerial code says all major interviews and media appearances, both print and broadcast, should "be agreed with the No 10 Press Office".

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Just read that Braverman's article in The Times was not run past No 10. Wonder what Sunak might do?

Nobody cares Andrew, they'll all be gone soon. This is just an early scrap on who is going to be leader of the Opposition ( if they manage to get enough seats to be the opposition..)
If the lunatics in the asylum choose Suella they'll be out of power for a very long time...

[Sephiroth]

I'm very disappointed that Braverman has put her job in jeopardy.
There is no doubt in my mind that a person in her position must clear her speeches/articles with the Cabinet Office and she appears to have failed that obligation.

The article is broadly correct save for the reference to Ulster, which does not sufficiently delineate the causes involved.

'Hate Marches' is a fair characterisation of the marches (certainly in the minds of the organisers) as any reasonable person could deduce. The policing has gone wrong as demonstrated by the difference in treatment between demonstrators and, e.g., the poor man in East London who was dobbed in for a commentary he was making towards his own documentary video.

Nevertheless, Sunak must assert his authority and must, in some way, discipline Braverman. To my mind, a public admonition would do this time.


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Originally Posted by Mr K

Nobody cares Andrew, they'll all be gone soon. This is just an early scrap on who is going to be leader of the Opposition ( if they manage to get enough seats to be the opposition..)
If the lunatics in the asylum choose Suella they'll be out of power for a very long time...

... and then the next problem arises. Labour is riddled with Jew haters who are now asserting their electoral muscle. I have warned you lot.

[jfman]

A presume that “reasonable” person is an autocorrect from “racist”?

Originally posted by Sephiroth

Hate Marches' is a fair characterisation of the marches (certainly in the minds of the organisers) as any reasonable person could deduce

Your idea of what defines a "reasonable person" certainly explains a lot of your posts…

The Royal British Legion disagree with you.

But the Royal British Legion, which runs the Poppy Appeal, said: “Our armed forces play a vital role in protecting the rights and freedoms of everyone in UK society, including the right to protest.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2445123.html

Originally Posted by Hugh

Your idea of what defines a "reasonable person" certainly explains a lot of your posts…

The Royal British Legion disagree with you.



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2445123.html

They sure do..

[Pierre]

Conservative Home Secretary, expresses Conservative views, which most Conservatives (and country) on this issue would probably agree with.................is demanded to resign.

This is why the conservatives are doomed, not because of party gate, not because of inflation, not because of the small boats.

Simply because the conservative are not conservative anymore, and haven't been for some time. They're way further off to the left of Blairs government.

And to think Labour are further to the left than this Tory government just fills me with dread.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Conservative Home Secretary, expresses Conservative views, which most Conservatives (and country) on this issue would probably agree with.................is demanded to resign.

This is why the conservatives are doomed, not because of party gate, not because of inflation, not because of the small boats.

Simply because the conservative are not conservative anymore, and haven't been for some time. They're way further off to the left of Blairs government.

And to think Labour are further to the left than this Tory government just fills me with dread.

Not sure most of the country agrees with you (or her) on that…

Latest YouGov poll.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Not sure most of the country agrees with you (or her) on that…

Latest YouGov poll.

Is that poll about this issue of protests and marches on remembrance Sunday? or her in general?


Also if it is about her in general, just two words......You.....Gov...... very reliable source.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Is that poll about this issue of protests and marches on remembrance Sunday? or her in general?


Also if it is about her in general, just two words......You.....Gov...... very reliable source.

We'll have to agree to disagree there...

YouGov is only one word.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Conservative Home Secretary, expresses Conservative views, which most Conservatives (and country) on this issue would probably agree with.................is demanded to resign.

Banning marches isn't a Conservative view, leaning on the police to do it for you isn't either.

You may not like these marches but I can't see why they should be banned.

I also think they're doomed because of inflation, cost of living and the NHS. People care more about their day-to-day lives than a protest in London going ahead.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

and then the next problem arises. Labour is riddled with Jew haters who are now asserting their electoral muscle. I have warned you lot.

and like your other warnings on race people won't listen because you're full it, jew haters are the right wing nut jobs who gassed them 80 years ago and is that really yhe best you can do, a dislike of Israeli government policy and the actions of it's army isn't the same as a dislike of Jews no matter how much the Israeli government demands it to be, still they'll be glad one person at least has fallen for it

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

and like your other warnings on race people won't listen because you're full it, jew haters are the right wing nut jobs who gassed them 80 years ago and is that really yhe best you can do, a dislike of Israeli government policy and the actions of it's army isn't the same as a dislike of Jews no matter how much the Israeli government demands it to be, still they'll be glad one person at least has fallen for it

You really are blinkered. The Jew haters were certainly Hamas on October 7th. The demonstrators in London didn't suddenly come out on a Free Palestine ticket - that was just their honey spoonful to disguise their hatred of the Jews and Israel and, by corollary anyone in the UK who dares not to support them. Note the many placards support for Hamas (from the river to the sea).

Be careful -there are nearly 3 million of that culture here and when 100,000 of them come out to celebrate Hamas, our police have no control.

https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies....november-2023/

A key question in the next General Election in the United Kingdom will be whether the Conservative Party can retain its seats in the so-called ‘Blue Wall’ of affluent, southern constituencies where the party has traditionally won, but where its support has been slipping in recent years—particularly in response to the party’s positioning on Brexit.1 At Redfield and Wilton Strategies, we have taken up the challenge of regularly polling this cluster of politically salient constituencies.

In the forty-two ‘Blue Wall’ seats that we identify and poll, the Conservatives won all in 2019 with 49.74% of the vote to the Liberal Democrats 27.45%. The Labour Party came third in this collection of seats, taking 20.6% of the vote.

Our latest poll of the Blue Wall finds Labour now leading the Conservatives by 4%, overturning the four-point advantage the Conservatives held in our previous Blue Wall poll last month. This is also the largest lead Labour has recorded in our Blue Wall tracker since the end of July.

Altogether, the results of our poll (with changes from 7 October in parentheses) are as follows:

Labour 34% (+2)
Conservative 30% (-6)
Liberal Democrat 25% (–)
Reform UK 6% (+2)
Green 4% (+1)
Other 1% (–)


When those who say they do not know how they would vote in a General Election are included, Labour also leads by 4%. After weighting by likelihood to vote, 12% of the sample says they do not know how they would vote, including 13% of those who voted Conservative in December 2019, 11% of those who voted for the Liberal Democrats, and 4% of those who voted for Labour.

Altogether, 83% of those who voted Labour in 2019 say they would vote Labour again, while 70% of those who voted Liberal Democrat say they would vote for the party at the next election.

Only 55% of 2019 Conservative voters now say they would vote Conservative again if a General Election were held tomorrow. 16% say they would vote for Labour, 8% would switch to Reform UK, and 7% would vote for the Liberal Democrats.