26-10-2022, 10:04
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
Sunak (and the Tory Party) have really missed an opportunity to have a chance at the next GE. He could have moved the Party back towards the centre ground, reaching out to the One Nation Conservatives (what is left of them) and consciously repositioned the trajectory of the next two years so he could have something to fight Starmer with.
Instead, he is just trolling us, continuing the right-wing journey that preceded him. By appointing:
- Badenoch, anti-trans and anti-equal marriage "culture war" hero as Minister for Women and Equalities
- Braverman, a facist-wannabe who is proud of her mission to remove our freedoms
- Coffey, in charge of the environment ... just think what damage this witless idiot can cause here
- Hunt, who is actively designing Austerity 2.0 as we speak
The list goes on ..
Just to be clear, by far the worst appointment is Braverman. She will go first I suspect. It is also remarkable how people who you may have thought were rationale, objective thinkers stand up an applaud such a person. It shows how much this country has changed regards its politics and what people are comfortable in now saying out loud.
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26-10-2022, 10:08
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
After the last 6 months I don't trust any of this particular newish set of faces to actually do anything different to the ways they have slipped into over the last 10-12 years.It's going to be business as usual to grab as much lolly as possible before possibly tory light Starmer possibly gets a chance.
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26-10-2022, 10:14
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
Absolute Tosh.
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Originally Posted by ianch99
- Badenoch, anti-trans and anti-equal marriage "culture war" hero as Minister for Women and Equalities
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What has she said that is anti-trans?
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- Braverman, a facist-wannabe who is proud of her mission to remove our freedoms
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Presuming you actually know what the word fascist means, which I doubt. Explain to me how she is a fascist and what freedoms she is removing?
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- Coffey, in charge of the environment ... just think what damage this witless idiot can cause here
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I can't think of anything, what damage do you think she can do?
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- Hunt, who is actively designing Austerity 2.0 as we speak
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Well someone has to.
Typical baseless rant, this isn't twitter you know.
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26-10-2022, 10:51
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
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Fair play to Rishi he found time on his first day to phone the First Ministers in the colonies. Something his predecessor didn’t manage at all in her tenure.
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She didn't ring local council leaders in England either
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26-10-2022, 11:02
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
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Not sure sending information from your Government email account to your private Gmail account, then sending on that information to individuals from the Gmail account, could be classed as an "honest mistake"…
Looks more like a premeditated effort to avoid an email trail on the Government email system.
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It was an honest mistake to copy in the wrong person from her personal email account.
But it was clearly a deliberate action to email the document to her personal Gmail account and then use that account to circulate the document.
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26-10-2022, 11:12
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
Back on topic. Suella Braverman, isn’t the topic.
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26-10-2022, 11:13
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by ianch99
Sunak (and the Tory Party) have really missed an opportunity to have a chance at the next GE. He could have moved the Party back towards the centre ground, reaching out to the One Nation Conservatives (what is left of them) and consciously repositioned the trajectory of the next two years so he could have something to fight Starmer with.
Instead, he is just trolling us, continuing the right-wing journey that preceded him. By appointing:
- Badenoch, anti-trans and anti-equal marriage "culture war" hero as Minister for Women and Equalities
- Braverman, a facist-wannabe who is proud of her mission to remove our freedoms
- Coffey, in charge of the environment ... just think what damage this witless idiot can cause here
- Hunt, who is actively designing Austerity 2.0 as we speak
The list goes on ..
Just to be clear, by far the worst appointment is Braverman. She will go first I suspect. It is also remarkable how people who you may have thought were rationale, objective thinkers stand up an applaud such a person. It shows how much this country has changed regards its politics and what people are comfortable in now saying out loud.
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If you want to be generous - and I’m not really but to be the devil’s advocate - he has no real mandate from the country or membership. A couple of MPs with a dozen or so friends each could collapse his Premiership sooner rather than later.
Essentially the problem is the Conservative party as a whole.
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26-10-2022, 11:17
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
Rishi Sunak delays fiscal statement until 17 November.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...il-17-november
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26-10-2022, 11:50
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
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If you want to be generous - and I’m not really but to be the devil’s advocate - he has no real mandate from the country or membership. A couple of MPs with a dozen or so friends each could collapse his Premiership sooner rather than later.
Essentially the problem is the Conservative party as a whole.
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Agreed but the fact he has no mandate, from anyone, is self-evident. The point I was making is the missed opportunity which now will make Starmer's life easier.
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26-10-2022, 11:59
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
For the sake of a balanced discussion … he has a mandate from the one place he actually needs one. From the King, acting on advice, that he’s the one most likely to enjoy the confidence etc etc etc.
At the risk of taking this off on a tangent, I’m curious to hear other posters’ ideas for how this system should be reformed. Because it seems to me that simply holding another general election doesn’t actually address the claimed problem (we don’t elect a prime minister and it’s clear from detailed polling and regional variations in people’s reasons for voting for various candidates that most people understand that’s not what they’re doing).
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26-10-2022, 12:04
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Absolute Tosh.
What has she said that is anti-trans?
Presuming you actually know what the word fascist means, which I doubt. Explain to me how she is a fascist and what freedoms she is removing?
I can't think of anything, what damage do you think she can do?
Well someone has to.
Typical baseless rant, this isn't twitter you know.
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Calm down dear, just because the truth is uncomfortable, it does not mean it is wrong.
Regarding the new (again) Home Secretary, here is her recent signature piece that would not be out of place in Putins's Russia or North Korea:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/pub...-anti-protest/
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Suella Braverman is quietly handing herself new powers to clamp down on the government’s political opponents, civil right advocates have warned.
The home secretary pushed through a last-minute amendment to a widely criticised anti-protest bill on Tuesday that would allow her to apply for injunctions against anyone she deems ‘likely’ to carry out protests that could cause ‘serious disruption’ to ‘key national infrastructure’, prevent access to ‘essential’ goods or services, or have a ‘serious adverse effect on public safety’. The proposal would also give police the power to arrest anyone they suspect to be breaching such an injunction.
Police would be given powers to stop and search people or vehicles even if they have no “reasonable grounds” to do so, if a senior officer believes protest offences are likely to take place in an area. Currently, authorities are only supposedly allowed to carry out so-called “suspicionless” stop and search when there is an imminent threat of serious violence.
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So true:
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The fact that Sunak has re-appointed her means he is complicit in this (continuing) lurch to the right.
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26-10-2022, 12:13
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
All of those grounds are things a judge would have to review before deciding whether to grant an injunction. The bill empowers the Home Secretary to ask, not to act.
Presumably there’s some addendum to Godwin’s Law aimed at people who have totally devalued the word ‘fascism’ by using it against anyone minded to believe the police should have the power to ensure public safety rather than simply carrying a bottle of Loctite De-Bonder on their belt loops.
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26-10-2022, 12:29
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
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Originally Posted by Chris
For the sake of a balanced discussion … he has a mandate from the one place he actually needs one. From the King, acting on advice, that he’s the one most likely to enjoy the confidence etc etc etc.
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Which, ironically, is what makes it so flimsy.
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At the risk of taking this off on a tangent, I’m curious to hear other posters’ ideas for how this system should be reformed. Because it seems to me that simply holding another general election doesn’t actually address the claimed problem (we don’t elect a prime minister and it’s clear from detailed polling and regional variations in people’s reasons for voting for various candidates that most people understand that’s not what they’re doing).
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Even if we accept there is no better system (which I doubt, but that’s an aside) it doesn’t change the challenges he faces sitting behind him in the chamber due to the circumstances of his appointment, rather than election. His party membership voted for someone else a mere seven weeks ago.
Just as well he’s not leading a left wing socialist Government in South America or an oil rich one in the Middle East. It’d be grounds for US intervention.
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26-10-2022, 13:07
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Re: Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister
I’m no Sunak fan, I still think a GE should have happened. But we are, where we are. I do think in PMQs he gave Starmer a pasting, Starmer tried to attack him on the Nom-dom issue, but Sunak just threw it back regarding Starmer being the guy propping up Putin apologist, Jeremy Corbyn.
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