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25-07-2016, 18:17
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Re: Virgin Media will launch a new set-top box
Will the new box be self install?
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25-07-2016, 20:35
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Re: Virgin Media will launch a new set-top box
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Will the new box be self install?
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Nothing has been announced, but it's a reasonable assumption. VM/LGI like self-install.
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25-07-2016, 20:41
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Re: Virgin Media will launch a new set-top box
Now all you need to do now is to give us a release date SP.
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25-07-2016, 21:04
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Re: Virgin Media will launch a new set-top box
I'm still curious to see whether VM launch a new PVR box later in the year or not. As I said earlier in the thread, I think it might just be a mini box linked to the cloud.
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26-07-2016, 10:50
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Re: Virgin Media will launch a new set-top box
I'm not convinced a cloud based box will ever be allowed to replace a conventional PVR for broadcast TV. People have talked about it for years but rights issues get in the way. We already have catch up. The added benefit of a PVR is you can watch at any time in the future. But providers of boxed sets, after the catch up window, have to pay for separate rights. Virgin would need to pay for those rights for all shows broadcast on all is channels! A cloud based PVR that only kept shows during the catch up window is not a sufficient replacement.
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26-07-2016, 16:07
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Re: Virgin Media will launch a new set-top box
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I'm not convinced a cloud based box will ever be allowed to replace a conventional PVR for broadcast TV. People have talked about it for years but rights issues get in the way. We already have catch up. The added benefit of a PVR is you can watch at any time in the future. But providers of boxed sets, after the catch up window, have to pay for separate rights. Virgin would need to pay for those rights for all shows broadcast on all is channels! A cloud based PVR that only kept shows during the catch up window is not a sufficient replacement.
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Which is absolute rubbish btw!
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26-07-2016, 17:56
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Re: Virgin Media will launch a new set-top box
Others have tried to argue that a storage device in the cloud is equivalent to a local drive and the rights owners have kicked back against it every time. I guess you never know, but unless you can argue more coherently than "rubbish" I still say its highly unlikely.
Edit: just spotted the bold in your quote. Are you just saying catch up is rubbish? In which case I agree. But again messed up by the difficulty of agreeing it with all the channels, if they even have them themselves. And, of course, Virgin's willingness to pay is certainly an issue too.
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26-07-2016, 18:37
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Re: Virgin Media will launch a new set-top box
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Others have tried to argue that a storage device in the cloud is equivalent to a local drive and the rights owners have kicked back against it every time. I guess you never know, but unless you can argue more coherently than "rubbish" I still say its highly unlikely.
Edit: just spotted the bold in your quote. Are you just saying catch up is rubbish? In which case I agree. But again messed up by the difficulty of agreeing it with all the channels, if they even have them themselves. And, of course, Virgin's willingness to pay is certainly an issue too.
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Yes, it's extremely unreliable, Virgin should be ashamed that they haven't fixed this, a total joke imo!
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26-07-2016, 18:44
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Re: Virgin Media will launch a new set-top box
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Yes, it's extremely unreliable, Virgin should be ashamed that they haven't fixed this, a total joke imo!
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Agreed. Most of the time it's "temporarily unavailable" or takes longer than is convenient to load.
I tend to use my Smart TV instead as it's much quicker and has always been available.
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26-07-2016, 19:24
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Re: Virgin Media will launch a new set-top box
If the new Tivo's recordings are cloud based won't trying to watch your recordings be problematic for those like Mad Max who already suffer with contention in their areas ? Or will the boxes be a mix of cloud and local ?
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26-07-2016, 19:45
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Re: Virgin Media will launch a new set-top box
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Agreed. Most of the time it's "temporarily unavailable" or takes longer than is convenient to load.
I tend to use my Smart TV instead as it's much quicker and has always been available.
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I also have a smart TV Richard, but use the Netflix app on it more than anything else, i'll need to have a look to see if it has the facility for catch up, I was wanting to watch the first episode of Mr Robot, so i'm not sure if I can get this via the smart apps on my TV.
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26-07-2016, 21:18
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Re: Virgin Media will launch a new set-top box
My wife and l were in a VM Store in Hounslow. And were told that we can renew our VM contract for a further year.
And be given a new BB box - which is WHITE, not a new Tivo box. And this will be better than anything else on the market.
We were shown the box similar to the BB box that we have now, but have been told this box is three times better than the box we have already - anyone heard of this.
I think it could be because l told him what l thought of the service of VM. And that Sky reps were standing about ten feet from me.
The box is about 5inches tall, with plug sockets on the rear - and its a stand up thing
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Also told that there is NO TiVo box on the horizon
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26-07-2016, 21:24
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Re: Virgin Media will launch a new set-top box
What you smoking mate..............
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26-07-2016, 21:35
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Re: Virgin Media will launch a new set-top box
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter
Agreed. Most of the time it's "temporarily unavailable" or takes longer than is convenient to load.
I tend to use my Smart TV instead as it's much quicker and has always been available.
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I always use TiVo for what it was designed for - recording. No need for on demand or catchup.😇
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26-07-2016, 21:40
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Re: Virgin Media will launch a new set-top box
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Originally Posted by Jong1
I'm not convinced a cloud based box will ever be allowed to replace a conventional PVR for broadcast TV. People have talked about it for years but rights issues get in the way. We already have catch up. The added benefit of a PVR is you can watch at any time in the future. But providers of boxed sets, after the catch up window, have to pay for separate rights. Virgin would need to pay for those rights for all shows broadcast on all is channels! A cloud based PVR that only kept shows during the catch up window is not a sufficient replacement.
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I agree and have said the same myself, I don't know how VM would get around the rights issue for cloud based services.
But as I said either in this thread or elsewhere, it was something that one of VM's bosses said that got me suspicious into thinking that VM will launch a new box and call it a pvr yet the "recordings" will actually just be links to VM's on demand services.
Yes, I know this is unlikely as it would mean VM would have to have everything on their VOD servers, I am just suspicious (as always) about what they might do.
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I always use TiVo for what it was designed for - recording. No need for on demand or catchup.😇
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I would love to use it to record what I want, except it filled up within five minutes.... and shortly afterwards it became slow and sluggish and awful to use ever since.
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Originally Posted by muppetman11
If the new Tivo's recordings are cloud based won't trying to watch your recordings be problematic for those like Mad Max who already suffer with contention in their areas ? Or will the boxes be a mix of cloud and local ?
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THis is what concerns me with cloud based services, its only as good as your connection and contention in your own area.
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