Unstoppable migration?

[Osem]

I wonder how long it'll be before a boat load of terrorists turn up somewhere and start shooting or blowing things up. Allowing unknown people to turn up on a military base is a big mistake - we need to send out a clear message that it will not be tolerated.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Osem

I wonder how long it'll be before a boat load of terrorists turn up somewhere and start shooting or blowing things up. Allowing unknown people to turn up on a military base is a big mistake - we need to send out a clear message that it will not be tolerated.

Pack them into a C35 and drop them off where they came from.

Trying to get into a military base by force is likely to have fatal consequences.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Pack them into a C35 and drop them off where they came from.

Trying to get into a military base by force is likely to have fatal consequences.

Yes and so it should. However turning up amongst a boat load of seemingly innocent people (who may be under threat of their lives) quite possibly isn't going to attract any attention until it's too late. It'd be interesting to know what precautions are being taken by the RAF.

The longer this goes on the more I think back to the days when we were considering joining the Euro and there were those who insisted it'd be the best thing since sliced bread. They dismissed those who had the temerity to disagree as xenophobes, short sighted, idiots, sheep following the tabloid agenda blah blah blah. Funny how they all seem to have disappeared eh? Wasn't such a good idea after all was it! Now we have a huge new Euro-crisis and still people like that use the same insults to those with whom they disagree. Well it's patently obvious that those who predicted this problem would start to mushroom out of control have been proved right and yet there are still those who prefer to exist in denial and rely on name calling because that's all they've got. Well deny away but wait and see how many more migrants pitch up on our borders in coming months/years if nothing is done to stop them and maybe one day you'll see. Trouble is it'll be too late by then because Europe will have seen irrevocable change and the creation of huge irreversible social problems which will result in unrest.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Damien

Trains, Boats? If the passport control is in Dover that poses a problem. There might be additional security checks like we have for Ireland which could help but otherwise the ability to check who should and shouldn't be coming over would be done in England not France.

Also WW2 isn't a useful reference point.

Why? Because it doesn't suit your argument?

Crossing the Channel is a completely different proposition from crossing the Med.

If you are talking about commercial boats and trains, all the Government has to do is make the appropriate companies pay the cost for any 'returnees'. They would then have to satisfy themselves that all their passengers were entitled to cross before boarding.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Pack them into a C35 and drop them off where they came from.

Trying to get into a military base by force is likely to have fatal consequences.

Steady on, old chap!

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Why? Because it doesn't suit your argument?

Because it ended 70 years ago! You really think the failure of Germany to invade Britain in 1940 offers useful information on how to deal with mass migration in 2015?

Crossing the Channel is a completely different proposition from crossing the Med.

If you are talking about commercial boats and trains, all the Government has to do is make the appropriate companies pay the cost for any 'returnees'. They would then have to satisfy themselves that all their passengers were entitled to cross before boarding!

If it were this easy then we wouldn't have felt the need to negotiate this treaty in France in the first place. The cost of sending them back isn't the main concern or expense in processing these applications. It is much easier from Britain's point of view for them to never arrive on British soil and hence this treaty works for us and winding up the French helps no one.

[Chrysalis]

sadly the use of force seems inevitable.

Remember these people are fleeing a war zone, so to them things like border controls and hunger is better than been in a war zone as they have escaped the violence, only new violence will make them reconsider. Also we have the situation I expect there is economic migrants pretending to be syrians.

Tough situation I got no idea what a proper solution is, but it isnt to allow them to all migrate to europe in unlimited numbers.

[Osem]

Increasing numbers of migrants are now entering Norway via Russia. Word's got out that it's a safer route.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Osem

Increasing numbers of migrants are now entering Norway via Russia. Word's got out that it's a safer route.

Cycling from Russia to Norway is a recently-discovered route asylum seekers are using to reach the border-free Schengen Zone.

Taxi drivers say they risk being fined for human trafficking if they drive people across the frontier, so many of those wishing to make the journey buy bicycles to complete the final stage.

Some take advantage of the situation, selling bikes at excessive prices and increasing the cost of a taxi trip to the Russian border towns of Murmansk and Nickel from ten to 500 USD.

But Storskog, on the Norwegian side of the border, is struggling to cope.

Story and picture link

[Osem]

Exploitation all around I'd say. People smugglers, bike sellers, boat owners etc etc etc. So many people making money out of this misery and it's the better off migrants who can pay...

[Osem]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34621032

Migrants crossing Slovenian border under cover of darkness. Not sure they're too keen on official procedures.

[Ramrod]

Journalists in Western Europe continue to depict them as “refugees” fleeing war in Syria. The description is false. According to statistics released by the European Union, only twenty-five percent of them come from Syria; the true number is probably lower. The Syrian government sells passports and birth certificates at affordable prices. The vast majority of migrants come from other countries: Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Eritrea, Somalia, and Nigeria.

Many do not seem to have left in a hurry. Many bring new high-end smartphones and large sums of cash, ten or twenty thousand euros, sometimes more. Many have no passports, no ID, and refuse to give fingerprints.

Whenever people flee to survive, the men come with whole families: women, children, elders. Here, instead, more than 75% of those who arrive are men under 50

As Christians are now the main targets of Islamists (the Jews fled or were forced out decades ago), the people escaping the war in Syria should be largely composed of Christians. But Christians are a small minority among those who arrive, and they often hide that they are Christians.

Those who enter Europe are almost all Muslims, and behave as some Muslims often do in the Muslim world: they harass Christians and attack women. In reception centers, harassing Christians and attacking women are workaday incidents. European women and girls who live near reception centers are advised to take care and cover up. Rapes, assaults, stabbings and other crimes are on the rise.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...ion-of-europe/
Happy days......

[Gary L]

They said they will take over the world.

we laughed

They said watch the news.

we read "Muslim Invasion of Europe"

They said you'll follow our rules.

we laughed again.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...ion-of-europe/
Happy days......

Too true.

There's going to be a lot of trouble when the Germans start turning people away and trying to remove migrants. If anyone had wanted to destabilise Europe could they have done a better job? Maybe someone wants to distract us from other looming issues? Create chaos then impose the emergency measures needed to tackle it. Blame it all on international/humanitarian problems as opposed to a failed Euro project amongst other things. Just thinking out loud...

[Osem]

BRUSSELS, Belgium — The European Union faces collapse if the bloc cannot agree on a plan to confront the sudden influx of refugees through the Balkans, Slovenia's premier warned on Sunday as leaders bickered over who was to blame for the crisis.

Nine days after Hungary's move to seal its southern border drove unprecedented migrant flows into tiny Slovenia, Prime Minister Miro Cerar sent out a dramatic call to fellow central and eastern leaders in Brussels for emergency talks.

"If we don't find a solution today, if we don't do everything we can today, then it is the end of the European Union as such," Cerar said.

"If we don't deliver concrete action, I believe Europe will start falling apart," he told reporters.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eur...igrant-n451166

I think he's right about one thing but wrong in his conclusion. IMHO the EU has already started to fall apart an the legacy of this problem will be serious resentment in large parts of the EU.

Meanwhile the Polish elections are sending out a fairly clear message aren't they...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34631826

[heero_yuy]

Wasn't sure whether this should go in the JC thread but here it is:

HAVE you noticed how quiet Jeremy Corbyn and his colleagues have gone about the unfolding migrant disaster spreading across Europe.

The huge tide of humanity — Germany has taken in 409,000 migrants in 40 days — is the most important political issue of this decade.

I saw the other day that the daily numbers going through Greece heading our way were even higher.

And yet Corbyn, the Labour leader, stays schtum. Why could that be?

Surely he couldn’t be in favour of German-type numbers coming here but declines to say anything as he fears he would do worse at the polls than right now?

But as voters we have the right to know.

He gave a clue to his views during a fascinating meeting published in The Mail on Sunday with Simon Danczuk, the Labour MP for Rochdale who was married to that lady who kept sending photos of her breasts to the nation.

In a frank exchange Mr Danczuk told Corbyn that Rochdale in the North West is home to 1,000 asylum seekers, more than the whole of the South East.

When he says that one in four of his constituents has roots in Pakistan, Kashmir and Bangladesh Corbyn says “great” and his eyes light up.

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