Football Season 2011/12 - Page 43

Derek · 26-08-2011, 10:40

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Originally Posted by Damien

That surprises me. Why would they get a automatic spot when their coefficient has been going down?

AFAIK It rose slightly just at the tail end of last year with Rangers UEFA cup run and it depends on other teams qualifying etc. But after that it will be a barren few years.

**Damien** · 26-08-2011, 10:42

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Originally Posted by Derek

AFAIK It rose slightly just at the tail end of last year with Rangers UEFA cup run and it depends on other teams qualifying etc. But after that it will be a barren few years.

Ah. Pretty massive prize for Celtic or Rangers awaits then!

Shadow Demon UK · 26-08-2011, 11:01

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Originally Posted by Damien

I call rubbish. We have already meant to have higher bids for him several times according to the papers. That said he is in the last year of this contract as Bolton's valuation of £17 million is absurd.

If you look at what Phil Gartside (Bolton chairman) has said on twitter, i would say it's fairly accurate.

**Damien** · 26-08-2011, 11:46

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

If you look at what Phil Gartside (Bolton chairman) has said on twitter, i would say it's fairly accurate.

Yeah seen that. Not quite sure why Bolton are going public to deride Wenger, screw them, it's not as if Cahill is the only decent centre back in the league. £6 million (think it was £7 million according to Coyle) is too low but their valuation at £17 million is equally mental. Let someone else take him for that price or get him on a free next year.

I say Wenger goes back to Everton or get's Dunn as cover for our existing CB pairing. I think a left back is needed more any a centre back anyway.

Shadow Demon UK · 26-08-2011, 11:53

Wenger was moaning about his players being undervalued and teams getting them on the cheap, and now he bids £6 million for Cahill....slightly hypocritical of him to say the least.

**Damien** · 26-08-2011, 12:56

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

Wenger was moaning about his players being undervalued and teams getting them on the cheap, and now he bids £6 million for Cahill....slightly hypocritical of him to say the least.

Where? I believe he was moaning about the public pursuit of players, not private bids made.

EDIT: Wenger is saying the £6 million fee is wrong.

denphone · 26-08-2011, 15:48

Scott Parker set to join Spurs according to latest reports.

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Europa League group stage draw

Group A: TOTTENHAM, Rubin Kazan, PAOK Salonika, Shamrock Rovers

Group B: FC Copenhagen, Standard Liege, Hannover, Vorskla Poltava

Group C: PSV Eindhoven, Hapoel Tel-Aviv, Rapid Bucharest, Legia Warsaw

Group D: Sporting Lisbon, Lazio, FC Zurich, FC Vaslui

Group E: Dynamo Kiev, Besiktas, STOKE, Maccabi Tel-Aviv

Group F: Paris St Germain, Athletic Bilbao, Salzburg, Slovan Bratislava

Group G: AZ Alkmaar, Metalist Kharkiv, Austria Vienna, Malmo

Group H: Braga, Club Brugge, BIRMINGHAM, Maribor

Group I: Atletico Madrid, Udinese, Rennes, Sion

Group J: Schalke, Steaua Bucharest, Maccabi Haifa, AEK Larnaca

Group K: FC Twente, FULHAM, Odense, Wisla Krakow

Group L: Anderlecht, AEK Athens, Lokomotiv Moscow, Sturm Graz

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Joey Barton signs 4 year deal with QPR

ChrisLUFC22 · 26-08-2011, 19:17

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Originally Posted by Damien

The only reason Celtic and Rangers are not already in the Premiership is because of the question of how to do it. Otherwise it would have already been done.

Why should they go in at Prem? Let them work up like every other team has to. Or, better still, tell 'em to bugger off.

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Originally Posted by Damien

We have already meant to have higher bids for him several times according to the papers. That said he is in the last year of this contract as Bolton's valuation of £17 million is absurd.

So what was Arsenal's valuation of Nasri?

**Damien** · 26-08-2011, 19:30

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Originally Posted by ChrisLUFC22

So what was Arsenal's valuation of Nasri?

Well Nasri is a better player than Cahill and a more expensive position. However he was overvalued but that's Man City's problem

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ChrisLUFC22 · 26-08-2011, 19:38

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Originally Posted by Damien

Well Nasri is a better player than Cahill and a more expensive position. However he was overvalued but that's Man City's problem

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I agree with your second part, however, I don't recall Nasri being anything special apart from the first half of last season (2010/11). Can I ask a question, do you genuinely believe Arsenal can go any further under Wenger?
I'm not for a moment suggesting he be sacked, he's done too much for Arsenal and deserves huge respect. However, I think he would be better handing over to a manager not afraid to spend and who is more in touch with the modern game, with Wenger staying on as Head of Youth Development or whatever fancy title you want to give it. Not many have a better track record of bringing youngsters through.

colin25 · 26-08-2011, 19:55

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Originally Posted by ChrisLUFC22

I agree with your second part, however, I don't recall Nasri being anything special apart from the first half of last season (2010/11). Can I ask a question, do you genuinely believe Arsenal can go any further under Wenger?
I'm not for a moment suggesting he be sacked, he's done too much for Arsenal and deserves huge respect. However, I think he would be better handing over to a manager not afraid to spend and who is more in touch with the modern game, with Wenger staying on as Head of Youth Development or whatever fancy title you want to give it. Not many have a better track record of bringing youngsters through.

Wenger is a tough one. i wouldn't suggest he be sacked, if i was a fan, but equally, I'd want him to relax the purse strings...now..not later.

Arsenal with about 3 players (but better with 5) could challenge. But they can't afford to give both man city or the other half of that city (narky neighbours?)..any more of a start.

denphone · 26-08-2011, 20:00

l think Arsene Wenger deserves to be given time based on his great record over 15 years and where does it get you by replacing managers all the time.

colin25 · 26-08-2011, 20:02

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Originally Posted by denphone

l think Arsene Wenger deserves to be given time based on his great record over 15 years and where does it get you by replacing managers all the time.

One might say that 15 years is not "all the time"

, but i agree with you

thenry · 26-08-2011, 20:02

Wenger will now go shopping seeing as the mugs have pretty much done all their business and wont interfere

**Damien** · 26-08-2011, 20:04

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Originally Posted by ChrisLUFC22

I agree with your second part, however, I don't recall Nasri being anything special apart from the first half of last season (2010/11).

Me either. All the more reason the sale was good! Especially if we get Eden Hazard.

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Can I ask a question, do you genuinely believe Arsenal can go any further under Wenger?

Yes. He reinvented our club and even his recent record is good given the resources he had at his disposal. I agree with this sensible spending policy, only spend what you can make and never, ever, risk the club.

I think we all agree he needs some new players. I want a left back, M'Vila, Hazard and a forward.