Trump’s Troubles

Originally Posted by Itshim

The US Supreme Court has rejected Colorado state attempts to remove Donald Trump from the ballot for president.

He can now remain on the ballot for president in the state after the court rejected claims he was accountable for the Capitol riots in 2021.

They haven’t adjudicated on the riots at all.

What they’ve done is ruled that a state can’t enforce section 3 of the 14th amendment (the one that bars insurrectionists from office) unless Congress says they can, because of the risk of conflicting judgments and policies across multiple states.

Had they decided to rule on whether Trump is barred from office because, while an officer of the US Government, he was involved in an insurrection, we would be in altogether more serious territory right now. As it is, the question of whether Trump is barred by section 3 is unresolved.

Even so, there is a split opinion on the bench, with the conservative majority (more than one of which is a direct Trump nominee) carrying the day for him. The liberal judges on the court acquiesced to the judgment but have issued a stinging minority report. The Supreme Court is not a happy workplace right now.

Originally Posted by Itshim

The US Supreme Court has rejected Colorado state attempts to remove Donald Trump from the ballot for president.

He can now remain on the ballot for president in the state after the court rejected claims he was accountable for the Capitol riots in 2021.

SCOTUS will hear the Appeal re Presidential Immunity late April, so the case regarding conspiracy to overthrow the Election is still moot.

https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/02/s...munity-appeal/

The Supreme Court on Wednesday agreed to decide whether former President Donald Trump can be tried on criminal charges that he conspired to overturn the results of the 2020 election. In a one-page unsigned order, the justices ordered a federal appeals court to continue to keep on hold its ruling rejecting Trump’s claims of immunity from prosecution, and they fast-tracked the case for oral argument in late April.

Trump was indicted in Aug. 2023 on four counts arising from Special Counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into the Jan. 6, 2021, attacks on the U.S. Capitol.

Originally Posted by Itshim

He can now remain on the ballot for president in the state after the court rejected claims he was accountable for the Capitol riots in 2021.

Not true at all, they simply ruled that states dont have the power to bar him, only congress.

[Pierre]

Super Tuesday. We’ll see just how much support Trump has today, within the GOP.

The Democrats are corrupt to the core & tried to erode a constitutional system with their stupid games. A 9-0 unanimous verdict is rare. So this decision cannot be attributed to party lines.

The other stupid Democrat banana republic cases now needs to be gone, especially since the stupid Democrats have a history of calling for violence on Republicans. The Democrats also too, attempted to stop the electoral certification in January 2017, to stop Trump becoming president.

Originally Posted by Mick

The Democrats are corrupt to the core & tried to erode a constitutional system with their stupid games. A 9-0 unanimous verdict is rare. So this decision cannot be attributed to party lines.

The other stupid Democrat banana republic cases now needs to be gone, especially since the stupid Democrats have a history of calling for violence on Republicans. The Democrats also too, attempted to stop the electoral certification in January 2017, to stop Trump becoming president.

There is quite a difference between objecting to the Election results in the Chamber (and Biden told them they couldn't object in that manner), and putting together an illegal alternate slate of Electors in a number of States, though...

https://www.npr.org/sections/trump-i...cation-as-defe

several House members, including lead House impeachment manager Jamie Raskin, D-Md., stood up to disrupt Trump's electoral certification process.

Then-Vice President Joe Biden was presiding over the proceedings. House members rose one-by-one to object the elections results. They cited Russian interference, the legitimacy of the election and electors as well as voter suppression and voting machines.

"Please come to order," Biden said at the time. "The objection cannot be received."

Originally Posted by Mick

The Democrats are corrupt to the core & tried to erode a constitutional system with their stupid games. A 9-0 unanimous verdict is rare. So this decision cannot be attributed to party lines.

Incorrect.

The judgment was unanimous, which is by no means uncommon when the question has a clear answer. Obviously, one state cannot rule on the constitution in a way that affects the entire Federal government. However, the opinion was unsigned, meaning that while the justices agreed the substantive verdict they disagreed as to the wider ramifications and the remedy. And having decided by majority this was a matter for Congress, they did not rule on whether Trump actually is an insurrectionist at all.

In fact , the 3 liberal justices objected to SCOTUS ruling that only Congress could determine whether an individual is barred from office under 14(3). *And* one of the Conservative justices also objected to this, though she issued a brief written opinion criticising Sotomayor Kagan and Brown for speaking out about their dissent at a time when unity was required.

So there was a 6-4 split on whether Congress should determine if someone is an insurrectionist and therefore barred, or if the courts may do so. And it was not a party lines split but a genuine legal disagreement.

Mick, your banging on about corrupt Dems is so 2016. Face it - you hitched your wagon to a rapist and a despot. You may not have realised it back then, but you’ve no excuse now. Whether or not he’s still popular with the uneducated rednecks of Amerca’s vast interior is neither here nor there. He was, is and will/would be a disaster for America and the world.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Paul

Not true at all, they simply ruled that states dont have the power to bar him, only congress.

Guess news agencies got it wrong what a surprise

Originally Posted by Itshim

Guess news agencies got it wrong what a surprise

Or…

You misread it…

Link might clarify any confusion, as every story I read in diverse publications never mentioned the court rejected claims he was accountable for the Capitol riots in 2021.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Itshim

The US Supreme Court has rejected Colorado state attempts to remove Donald Trump from the ballot for president.

He can now remain on the ballot for president in the state after the court rejected claims he was accountable for the Capitol riots in 2021.

---------- Post added at 18:53 ---------- Previous post was at 18:50 ----------

Originally Posted by Hugh

Or…

You misread it…

Link might clarify any confusion, as every story I read in diverse publications never mentioned the court rejected claims he was accountable for the Capitol riots in 2021.

It was a direct cut and paste ,so my son tells me from CNN news flash . He nor I amended it in anyway. Which he forwarded to me .Perhaps so should tell them

Originally Posted by Chris

Incorrect.

The judgment was unanimous, which is by no means uncommon when the question has a clear answer. Obviously, one state cannot rule on the constitution in a way that affects the entire Federal government. However, the opinion was unsigned, meaning that while the justices agreed the substantive verdict they disagreed as to the wider ramifications and the remedy. And having decided by majority this was a matter for Congress, they did not rule on whether Trump actually is an insurrectionist at all.

In fact , the 3 liberal justices objected to SCOTUS ruling that only Congress could determine whether an individual is barred from office under 14(3). *And* one of the Conservative justices also objected to this, though she issued a brief written opinion criticising Sotomayor Kagan and Brown for speaking out about their dissent at a time when unity was required.

So there was a 6-4 split on whether Congress should determine if someone is an insurrectionist and therefore barred, or if the courts may do so. And it was not a party lines split but a genuine legal disagreement.

Mick, you’re banging on about corrupt Dems is so 2016. Face it - you hitched your wagon to a rapist and a despot. You may not have realised it back then, but you’ve no excuse now. Whether or not he’s still popular with the uneducated rednecks of Amerca’s vast interior is neither here nor there. He was, is and will/would be a disaster for America and the world.

Yeah, because Biden has been a real beacon of hope these last few years. Not!

I’m sick of telling you, I ain’t in a wagon for Trump, but equally, I ain’t in no group of sheep following around the narrative, “Orange man bad.”

For a start. He’s not a convicted rapist, he has never been arrested, or criminally convicted, he was sued in a liberal New York court which was always going to be rigged against him. You of all people, know how the rule of law works & the judiciary.

Secondly, if I want to call the Democrats corrupt, I couldn’t give a shit if it was 2016, 2020 they will always be corrupt & I’d say that, regardless if Trump was running or not. Deal with it, in the grand scheme of things, it’s so unimportant which Republican president wins, just get those corrupt ******** Democrats out.

[1andrew1]

I've not followed Trump's many court appearances as some have, but I certainly remember his mugshot and him being been arrested. That was in Georgia.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...est-rcna101664

Originally Posted by Mick

For a start. He’s not a convicted rapist, he has never been arrested, or criminally convicted, he was sued in a liberal New York court which was always going to be rigged against him. You of all people, know how the rule of law works & the judiciary.

Held liable rather than convicted, because of New York’s statute of limitations. Time had run out for a criminal trial but had not run out for a civil trial. You might have noticed there are a lot of historic sexual assault and rape cases around at the moment. #MeToo is a good thing.

Held liable for sexual assault rather than rape because Trump’s victim can’t say for certain whether he penetrated her with his finger or his penis, and in NY state law that’s a specific distinction. If we’re at the point of trying to salvage Trump’s reputation based on which part of his body he violated a woman with, God help America.

Incidentally, the trial judge confirmed in a post-trial statement that in common language (i.e. not the specific legal terms required under NY law within the courtroom) it is perfectly acceptable to describe Trump as a rapist based on the established facts.

He’s a rapist. He’s a dangerous sociopath and Joe Biden ruling from beyond the grave would be preferable.

Originally Posted by Chris

Held liable rather than convicted, because of New York’s statute of limitations. Time had run out for a criminal trial but had not run out for a civil trial. You might have noticed there are a lot of historic sexual assault and rape cases around at the moment. #MeToo is a good thing.

Held liable for sexual assault rather than rape because Trump’s victim can’t say for certain whether he penetrated her with his finger or his penis, and in NY state law that’s a specific distinction. If we’re at the point of trying to salvage Trump’s reputation based on which part of his body he violated a woman with, God help America.

Incidentally, the trial judge confirmed in a post-trial statement that in common language (i.e. not the specific legal terms required under NY law within the courtroom) it is perfectly acceptable to describe Trump as a rapist based on the established facts.

He’s a rapist. He’s a dangerous sociopath and Joe Biden ruling from beyond the grave would be preferable.

Utter TDS nonsense.

Worlds gone to shit under Biden & you wish that pathetic Biden, zombie walking disgrace to rule 4 more years, you are utterly crazy. More fool you.

A liberal judge rules means Jack shit to me, big bloody deal. Banana republic those NY judges. Hard left liberal State!

As for the rest of your TDS post. Yawn Chris, tell it to some one who cares, I certainly don’t.

[Stephen]

Ouch, truth hurts eh.

Neither of those two should be in charge of the USA. Biden is the lesser of the two evils. Biden may be an old man but at least he speaks truth and doesn't spout utter drivel that has no relevance to the real world and is only real in Trump's mind.