mourinho leaves Chelsea! - Page 2

TheDaddy · 20-09-2007, 13:34

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

He get's put under a little bit of pressure and gives up

Not really 'special' is he...

He has had players bought in he didn't want, been forced to change tactics to accommodate them, been the victim of a whispers campaign waged in the press, had staff brought in he didn't want, not been allowed to sign players he did want, basically he has been constantly undermined and he still wins trophies, even Steve Bruce warned their new owner not to interfere, thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s right Steve Bruce whats he ever achieved to demand that. I'd have him right up there with Wenger as the best premiership managers ever.

**Damien** · 20-09-2007, 13:44

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

He has had players bought in he didn't want, been forced to change tactics to accommodate them, been the victim of a whispers campaign waged in the press, had staff brought in he didn't want, not been allowed to sign players he did want, basically he has been constantly undermined and he still wins trophies, even Steve Bruce warned their new owner not to interfere, thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s right Steve Bruce whats he ever achieved to demand that. I'd have him right up there with Wenger as the best premiership managers ever.

Not sure if has been there long enough, also despite some problems with the buying of players he has managed to spend a lot of money overhauling the entire squad...

TheDaddy · 20-09-2007, 13:56

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Originally Posted by Damien

Not sure if has been there long enough, also despite some problems with the buying of players he has managed to spend a lot of money overhauling the entire squad...

I'd agree with you about the money if it were him that were spending it, the first two seasons didn't really inspire me about him, despite winning the league, imo the sign of a great manager is how you deal with things in times of adversity

superbiatch · 20-09-2007, 14:07

Apols in advance for this, just been sent it

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Chealsea have just released their first aftershave, 'the special one' by you go boss

I'm personally sad to see him leave - it was always handbags down between him and rafa

And who else (apart from kantona) could be so profound (about eggs!)

punky · 20-09-2007, 14:30

To those saying he was only successful because of the money (basically Man U fans whose club isn't unknown to throwing vast sums of money into the transfer market), seem to forget he won the Champions League and domestic league twice with Porto, and that money doesn't buy you success.

Also fascinating in that he's one of the rare successful football managers without a playing career to speak of.

If he disappears from the Premier League, it will be a loss, even if just for the press conferences.

Saaf_laandon_mo · 20-09-2007, 14:37

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Originally Posted by Gavin

To those saying he was only successful because of the money (basically Man U fans whose club isn't unknown to throwing vast sums of money into the transfer market), seem to forget he won the Champions League and domestic league twice with Porto, and that money doesn't buy you success.

Also fascinating in that he's one of the rare successful football managers without a playing career to speak of.

If he disappears from the Premier League, it will be a loss, even if just for the press conferences.

Very well said.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...ea/7004780.stm

At least he wont be skint coming up to Christmas, lol.

lauzjp · 20-09-2007, 14:56

chelsea went downhill imho when Zola left. I think they and the premiership will miss Mourinho.

nemesis01 · 20-09-2007, 15:26

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Originally Posted by Gavin

To those saying he was only successful because of the money (basically Man U fans whose club isn't unknown to throwing vast sums of money into the transfer market), seem to forget he won the Champions League and domestic league twice with Porto, and that money doesn't buy you success.

Is there any real competition in Portugal apart from a couple of teams, not last time I looked. He was also fortunate to win the champions league, he was minutes away from getting knocked out, ironically by Man Utd, beat a couple of second rate teams (la coruna, Lyon) after that and might aswell had bought a reserve team to the final for the fight Monaco put up.

Guess what, i'm a Man Utd fan but it has never stopped me having appreciation for those who entertain, Mourinho did that but not on the field, with him it was always off the field and that's maybe why he had no playing career to speak of.

And you say the money didn't matter, but if he had joined Charlton instead of Chelsea, with no money do you think he would have had as much success? He created a good team at Chelsea, but not a great team, not an entertaining team and by all accounts that was the final nail in the coffin.

Shadow Demon UK · 20-09-2007, 15:57

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

I think he's been under pressure since he started Chelsea and did pretty well considering.....

But as soon as he loses/draws a couple of games and thinks he might not win anything he's gone. I didn't see SAF or Wenger doing that when Chelsea were dominating for a couple of years.

The argument that players were bought that he didn't want isn't very strong, Ballack and Shevchenko would be great additions to any squad, it just shows that he couldn't adapt his tactics which SAF, Wenger and Benitez and other top managers have to do all the time.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

imo the sign of a great manager is how you deal with things in times of adversity

And he quit.

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Originally Posted by Gavin

To those saying he was only successful because of the money (basically Man U fans whose club isn't unknown to throwing vast sums of money into the transfer market), seem to forget he won the Champions League and domestic league twice with Porto, and that money doesn't buy you success.

Porto never should have been in the final, i'm sure Paul Scholes will tell you that

Winning the Portuguese league with Porto isn't such a big achievment, there isn't much competition

TheDaddy · 20-09-2007, 18:13

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

And he quit.

After 18 months of speculation, I doubt many others would have put up with it as long, whilst still achieving results and it seems he only quit because they were going to sack him

Bulky · 20-09-2007, 18:23

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Originally Posted by Gavin

To those saying he was only successful because of the money (basically Man U fans whose club isn't unknown to throwing vast sums of money into the transfer market), seem to forget he won the Champions League and domestic league twice with Porto, and that money doesn't buy you success.

Also fascinating in that he's one of the rare successful football managers without a playing career to speak of.

If he disappears from the Premier League, it will be a loss, even if just for the press conferences.

i have been a big utd fan all my life and go to Old Trafford as much as possible (when the offer of tickets is there) , in my opinion Jose will be a massive loss to the premiership , the money helps but he is a top quality manager and could
walk in to any football managerial job in the world at this moment , i bet a lot of big clubs are having a good think hiring him , sad day for the premiership .

Russ · 20-09-2007, 22:06

The lads in work were suggesting today he might end up at White Hart Lane - given the pressure Jol is under, plus Spurs have a decent squad and a bit of cash, I definitely wouldn't rule it out.

TheDaddy · 20-09-2007, 22:12

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Originally Posted by Russ B

The lads in work were suggesting today he might end up at White Hart Lane - given the pressure Jol is under, plus Spurs have a decent squad and a bit of cash, I definitely wouldn't rule it out.

I thought that earlier, a long shot perhaps but definitely a possibility

TheDaddy · 21-09-2007, 11:08

Serves them right if this happens, one of the reasons he was 'sacked' was because Abramavich thought the team was becoming a laughing stock, like this has made anything better? Their owner might be rich but he lacks class, they treated Ranieri shabbily and nothing has changed, why we ever let all these foreign investors get involved is beyond me, most of them are crooks and only here for what they can milk out of the game.

Chelsea, an absolute joke of a club

Saaf_laandon_mo · 21-09-2007, 11:12

Its looking more and more likely that leaving by mutual consent in this case means forced to leave (which would mean sacked in all accounts). The Chelsea PR machine know they now have a massive problem, I think they are lucky that the next game is not at home. It will be interesting to see what the crowd reaction will be at the next home game.