[Merged] The Football Thread 2005/2006 Season - Page 102

gazzae · 18-11-2005, 12:52

Apparently Fergie and Keane had a big arguement at Carrington. Fergie then stripped Keane of the captaincy and Keane stormed out, quitting the club.

nffc · 18-11-2005, 12:55

Evans has gone to Rotherham, Keane's the right age for a Megson buy. SIGN HIM UP!

Nugget · 18-11-2005, 13:07

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/4449396.stm

Roy Keane leave Man U!

Bets on him signing for Celtic?

I don't think it's that much of a surprise that he's gone (although I suppose the fact that he's going in November is pretty full on). After all the hassle of the last few weeks, I'd have thought that it would be difficult to reconcile himself with some of the players he 'allegedly'

mentioned in that programme.

I also don't feel that he's anywhere near the player that he ws, through a combination of age and some of the injuries that he's suffered, so personally (and as someone who doesn't have any feeling one way or the other for Man U) I think it's probably for the best.

TBH, it started to come across as Keane thinking that he was bigger than the club, so was bound to end this way eventually.

gazzae · 18-11-2005, 13:12

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I also don't feel that he's anywhere near the player that he ws, through a combination of age and some of the injuries that he's suffered, so personally (and as someone who doesn't have any feeling one way or the other for Man U) I think it's probably for the best.

Keano not being the player he was is still better than the majority of players in the prem.

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TBH, it started to come across as Keane thinking that he was bigger than the club, so was bound to end this way eventually.

He just wants to win. He's not afraid to say what he thinks.
I remember him talking about the dressing room when forest got relegated and some players were laughing and joking, he said he couldn't believe what he was seeing.

Nugget · 18-11-2005, 13:20

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Keano not being the player he was is still better than the majority of players in the prem.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you there - it's just that, IMO, his age is now contributing to a number of injuries that are keeping him out of the team more often than he plays. That's not a criticism of Keane - it would be difficult for most players of his age to stand up to the pressures of the Premiership.

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He just wants to win. He's not afraid to say what he thinks.
I remember him talking about the dressing room when forest got relegated and some players were laughing and joking, he said he couldn't believe what he was seeing.

But, again IMO, as the Club Captain, he does still have a responsibility (to a certain degree) to 'toe the party line'. Just because thousands of supporters may feel exactly the same way as him, he shouldn't just slag off half of the team in a TV programme. Unfortunately, Roy Keane is / was a fantastic football player, and I believe it is unrealistic for him to think that efery player will match his (admittedly high) standards.

gazzae · 18-11-2005, 13:25

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Originally Posted by Nugget

But, again IMO, as the Club Captain, he does still have a responsibility (to a certain degree) to 'toe the party line'. Just because thousands of supporters may feel exactly the same way as him, he shouldn't just slag off half of the team in a TV programme. Unfortunately, Roy Keane is / was a fantastic football player, and I believe it is unrealistic for him to think that efery player will match his (admittedly high) standards.

But he doesn't, he expects players to put effort in. Like he was supposed to have criticised O'Shea cause at times he was strolling back rather than busting a gut.

Hes criticised players in the past, but this time he named them which probably was a step too far. I think his drive to win is at fault here, he knew he had little time left at Man Utd to win the european cup again - as he has said he doesn't feel like he has won it, even though without keane utd wouldn't have been in the final. Its probably a case of his heart overruling his head.

Nugget · 18-11-2005, 13:28

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Originally Posted by gazzae

But he doesn't, he expects players to put effort in. Like he was supposed to have criticised O'Shea cause at times he was strolling back rather than busting a gut.

Hes criticised players in the past, but this time he named them which probably was a step too far. I think his drive to win is at fault here, he knew he had little time left at Man Utd to win the european cup again - as he has said he doesn't feel like he has won it, even though without keane utd wouldn't have been in the final. Its probably a case of his heart overruling his head.

I think you're probably right - it's just a shame that it ends like this really...

BBKing · 18-11-2005, 13:43

Where's yer captain gone?

At least Vieira left in reasonably amicable circumstances - this sounds more like a messy divorce.

gazzae · 18-11-2005, 14:12

Cobh Ramblers have a playoff coming up soon, could we see Keano lining up for his old club? Or Cork play Derry tonight in the Premier Division decider, maybe Keano's on his way to Cork as we speak.

gazzae · 18-11-2005, 14:15

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RONALDO SET TO BE CLEARED

Manchester United midfielder Cristiano Ronaldo is set to be cleared over allegations that he raped a woman in a hotel suite, according to a report.

The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) is expected to announce "within days" that there is insufficient evidence to prosecute the Portugal international winger, London's Evening Standard said.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football...&TEAMHD=soccer

Nugget · 18-11-2005, 14:25

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Where's yer captain gone?

At least Vieira left in reasonably amicable circumstances - this sounds more like a messy divorce.

Well, they were reasonably amicable by the end - however, you shouldn't forget the two years of dithering before then

sherer · 18-11-2005, 15:51

i can't believe keano's gone.. as gazzae has said it's his drive and committment to win that we will miss the most.. the levels of effort he put in put the rest of the team to shame.. without him on the pitch i'm never too confident about our performance and now he's not there with no replacement

him and Fergie were too strong willed and neither will back down in an arguement.. blame Fergie more as we never got a replacement for him in the summer and his management of the team and tactics of late haven't been the best either

just hope we get Ballack in Jan now.. if we don't we will be even worse off.. although i don't really see Ballack as the new Keane either more a Scholes type player

BBKing · 18-11-2005, 16:20

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you shouldn't forget the two years of dithering before then

True, but we got the best years out of him and ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£10m profit. United have got a hole in midfield and a PR crisis. Dear oh dear.

gazzae · 18-11-2005, 16:36

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True, but we got the best years out of him and £10m profit. United have got a hole in midfield and a PR crisis. Dear oh dear.

You could have got a £20mill profit if you'd sold him the season before. But then we would have missed out on Keane scaring the crap out of him in the tunnel - and the moment of the season, the Nevillier's handshake.

BBKing · 18-11-2005, 22:19

Are most United fans (proper ones, not plastic ones from Tunbridge):
a) Behind the manager and glad to see the back of the troublesomeMr. Keane
b) Behind Mr. Keane and highly p!ssed off at the manner of his departure

The ones I know are firmly in b. PR crisis, as I said.

Vieira:
ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£10m for one season where we won the F.A. Cup and beat United in the league for the third time in four years and beat Spurs home and away for the first time in 16 years? Sounds fair enough to me. Good luck to him - if the rumours of the effects of playing for the last ten years with one leg 3 inches longer than the other on his physiognomy are true, he'll need it.